Main Reason why Support Role is Unwanted

CarameI Frappe··165 votes·18,618 views

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Although this probably belongs in the Memes and Games section, I actually want to expand on this and make it into a serious discussion. Although many are right about people not wanting the Support role because you're not getting kills therefore you don't feel like you impact the game ... it's boring at times (can be) and / or the fact Supports don't get much gold therefore they struggle. It could also be that if your team is struggling themselves, you can't carry them which is a huge concern for most people.

As a Support Main who's in Gold (yeah it's not impressive but that's my feat) my biggest problem is HOW Supports are treated in general. We're people too whom do everything to ensure the ADC and team survives every encounter while warding / doing what we can to make your lives easier. Granted, not all Supports are innocent either and can be toxic (let alone not even build a Sightstone ...) but more often I find myself getting raged at or treated like i'm a bot.

This is very discouraging hence why people don't want to Support. I can't tell you how many times i've been told to leave bottom lane because the ADC was a Ashe trying to dive a Tahm Kench and Ezreal. You can't expect me to save you when we're only 1 minute into the game but you want to get kills without peeling.

I've seen ADCs go back into fights when i've died trying to save them so they could flee, or when I say "Brb warding" and suddenly they go trying to pick a 1v2 fight over CS rather than wait for the only one whom can save them. Then i've seen people rage at me for not going tank when i'm Sona .... Sona whom has a score of 0 / 2 / 12 and my ADC is 7 / 2 / 3 but because the other lanes suffer, it's my fault for not going tanky or picking a tank champion. Although it might of 'helped' that I went tank, it still wouldn't save the game if you chose a Nidalee vs a Malphite top.

Treat your Supports like people, and not rage at them for mistakes either you or BOTH of you made. If something goes wrong, look at yourself and see if it really was the Support's fault, or you got caught and died before the Support could even get the chance of saving your hide. Again Supports aren't all innocent and can either KS often to make the ADC weak, or they're toxic / making mistakes for odd reasons ... but for the good Supports that do all they can to help you get fed, to help you live, to die for you ... don't treat them like bots. They chose or playing Support to ensure you guys win and are the only role to set aside kills to make the game easier for you to obtain that win.

249 Comments

theragingnerd63 votes

that soraka and kog pic is from a hentai comic lol well done good post op tho :D

Ackelope22 votes
theragingnerd34 votes

i am not a good boy

yay nibbers17 votes

A pretty good one at that. The Kalista comic is better though.

theragingnerd7 votes

didn't read that one lol

yay nibbers17 votes

It's called Twisted Treeline I think, done by the same guy. Features Zed and his shadow 2v1ing her if you know what I'm saying ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

IcyPepper6 votes

Ahem.

"A friend" of mine requests the sauce.

Lulus SnuggleBun12 votes

Google ArbuzBudesh Feeding the Carry. The one with Zed and Kali is called Twisted Twisted Treeline and he is working on another called Life Death Pain. God speed my child [slayer-jinx-wink]

Spizzle900015 votes

Source please? It's for. . . research. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

theragingnerd10 votes

its called feeding the carry

CarameI Frappe13 votes

Turns out, the artist is making a sequel to that comic. It's still in progress, but the comic is called "Life Death Pain" ... don't ask why i'm telling you guys this.

IcyPepper20 votes

We are all terrible people.

I regret nothing.

Ralanr4 votes

Porn unites people very well.

IcyPepper5 votes

Porn also depicts people uniting well.

CarameI Frappe5 votes

Mind if I ask who the artist is? I love how they drew Soraka and all ...

theragingnerd5 votes

arbuzbudesh

Akunaitsu11 votes

I bet tons of people are searching it up right now... I DID NOT SEARCH IT SHUDUFUKUP

theragingnerd8 votes

(✿◡‿◡) sure you didn't (✿◡‿◡)

IcyPepper11 votes

No shame, no gain.

Arakadia5 votes

How do you know that....?

theragingnerd19 votes

HARDwork

Unskilledtroller7 votes

the nerd is not the only thing that rages ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Devack The Holy3 votes

Feeding the Carry.

Surge063 votes

I don't know who I felt worse for, Rengar at the end of that comic, or Soraka for most of it =/

Emperor Time3 votes

Takes a true man to admit that. Well played sir.

what you deserve17 votes

this is why support lux

Cryo0011 votes

Support Annie, people actually wont get mad at you for building damage.

Dessem6 votes

You'd think that. :(

Iqqi15 votes

Awesome comics.

There have been plenty of points to this issue.

In my opinion the root cause of this issue goes all the way back to Riot and how they designed League. Today there is little argument that while winning a match has nothing to do with KDA, Riot has built a game thats built around KDA. What I mean is this. In League the largest game wide popups for "GJ / pats on the back" are all completely kill related. In league there is no popup for an "assist streak!" its all about kills.

Let's talk about kills for a moment. A kill in league just means you got the last hit and dealt the last 1 damage that ended up killing the player. Others could of set up the situation, done the other 99.9% damage, but you did the .1%. So with Riots (flawed) system, you get the game wide alert. Same thing with kill streaks. All you did was get the killing blow. You didn't do anything else. No one in any real game can 1v5. If you get a multi kill chances are there was at least 1 other person on your team involved. But Riot fails to recognize their contributions and instead chose to just focus on the killing blow. Riot created a selfish system that's completely built around kills.

You get the notification for the kill. in game when you open the players view, you see KDA front and center. In the post game window. Again you see KDA front and center. Riot preaches that the game is not about kills. That it is about objectives, working as a team, and eventually hopefully winning. Yet their game system is completely built around providing players with some form of satisfaction and recognition for kills only. Sure pros are better and know when to get the kill and when to not go after the vayne last hitting in the bot lane by herself when you could push and take an inhib instead of chasing her. Yet way to often someone or some people go after the Vayne.

If your team works together and kills the dragon or baron. You get some terrible yellow text in the chat box. If you have 4 people working to push a tower. You don't get anything. If you are in lane and your bot lane kills the enemy, your ADC (hopefully) gets a game wide alert saying "duo kill!".

Their game is completely built around recognizing killing blows. It is not built around recognizing teamwork and objectives. It all again comes down to practice what you preach. If you watch the LCS, you never see Phreak getting super worked up about how a team worked together to take an objective. He uses his normal voice for that. Suddenly throw in a fight and someone gets a penta kill? Watch and Phreaks voice and volume climb like a rocket. He will likely be standing the next time he is on camera. Again the system is built around the killing blows of one champion even though there were plenty of other teammates involved.

So once you understand that Riot has built a game which puts killing blows on a pedestal, that does not recognize teamwork or cooperation, then you can see why people don't play support.

If your ADC gets a kill in the bot lane, your ADC more often than not, did not 2v1. Your jungler or your support made a play and you capitalized on that. The support is not recognized for their contribution to the team.

When you build a game that only rewards and provides recognition for kills and does not reward or recognize players who contributed to kills, or objectives its easy to see why A. No one plays support. (because you are not recognized for your contributions. Either by Riot and the game, or by your team) and B. They want to feel recognized, that someone out there will notice that they are contributing to the team and that the rest of the team knows it. Instead it's through killing blows. This right here is the reason you see some supports taking CS or "accidentally getting the killing blow" (P.S. It wasn't a mistake)

This is why people play ADC, why they play mid. People want to be the one to get the kills. Not because kills mean you win, but because League rewards and recognizes kills. That somehow your KDA means you are amazing. Everyone wants to see their name up there with PENTA KILL! Its just a failed design and it's really easy to see why the community judges the performance of one another by kills and deaths alone. You die 3 times in lane? The general response "Man you are terrible" look at that he has a negative KDA. The reason doesn't matter. You have a negative KDA you are obviously terrible. That's the game they made.

It is 100% on Riot and how they have designed league over the last 6 years to understand how we got here and how people are 100% kill focused for the most part. Sure some people will realize the clear objective when it counts, but everyone wants their name in lights. They want to feel like they are the important one responsible for the victory. Riot's League provides that.

So again it is really easy to see why people don't like playing support. Simply put, you are never recognized for your contributions. You have an assists percent of 100%? You were involved with every kill your team had? Nothing. Not a peep. Your ADC does poorly? You are immediately blamed. "he is the ADC super carry amazing player with the god complex! he can't do anything wrong." He goes in for a poor trade and dies? "why didn't you support me?". Enemy jungle comes in over a wall for a gank "Why didnt you have a ward there?" It is _always _ the supports fault. If you ever find an ADC who recognizes their own mistakes and carries them on their own shoulders. Friend them. You just found a freaking 4 carrot diamond in the ocean.

TLDR: Riot created a game that is "supposed" to be about teamwork, taking objectives, and working together for a victory. Instead they created a game which only provides recognition for kills. Their game keeps KDA front and center. The champion screen? CS and KDA. Post game? KDA. The game only provides recognition for kills. It does not recognize all the other people who participated in that kill or set up the situation much less the whole point of the game which is to work together as a team, take objectives and hopefully win. Sure we got the "assists" tally, but again it is not recognized in game. Just the killing blow. The community is focused on kills because that's the game Riot made. Kills and Deaths are the stats Riot force feeds us. So we natually use them as a way to judge another players performance. If you didn't get the killing blow, but did the other 99% of the work. Riot doesn't care. They don't give a shit. Teemo got the killing blow and thus gets his name in lights! Riot provides virtually no recognition for taking objectives or the contributions people made which ultimately (hopefully) lead to your teams victory.

Its like we are playing CoD and you are 100% focused on your KDA and the player with the most kills is your teams best player. Except its not team deathmatch. Its capture and control with infinite respawn. Kills don't mean shit. Boom.

Parceval4 votes

This is very insightful. Upboat to Riot, pls.

SP Dodgecity12 votes

As an ADC main I just wanted to say, "THANK YOU!" I am literally nothing without a support. The best moments I've ever had in the game is when our synergy has been spot on and we rekt the other team to pieces. I am very grateful for supports and I hate when they get bullied in lower levels or in lower elo. Won't say i've never argued with a support before but its kinda like a relationship, sometimes ya gonna fight, just be mature about it and keep workin together.

All ADC's out there. Imagine if you had no supp, and you had to 1v2 bot lane.. it would suck... so.. be nice :D

Luv you supps :D [slayer-jinx-wink]

TroyTheUnconquer2 votes

Im a support main to, and can i just say I LOVE IT when me and the adc have a great synergy, if me and my adc do just absolutely wonderful because they know whats an engage and whats a poke, and they can actually follow up on both... yeah lets just say i honor them, request a duo, and then friend them if they agree.

Like i met a MF main who i had never played with before, but we worked better together then all but a couple of my IRL freinds and completely snowballed lane, i think she ended up going like 14-1 the first game we played and it just got better from there... we actually made a bet how many times we could make the enemy surrender in a single night... we got up to 4 surrenders out of like 7 games, and we won all 7 it was just wonderful.

SP Dodgecity3 votes

Its makes the best games right?

I got this thresh supp once that I literally wanted to marry, their plays were SO GOOD, he gave me chills when he flashed and grabbed a tristana in mid air right as she jumped away.... most fun I ever had :D

Hemulen Magi12 votes

The biggest annoyance to me is when the ADC tries to tell you which champion to play, and then if you don't obey them, they spend all game trying to find reasons why your pick can't work instead of just playing. It's awful trying to support an ADC who wants nothing more than to see you fail.

The life of a non-Thresh/Blitzcrank/Leona support player:

Caitlyn: pick thresh Me: I don't play Thresh... Caitlyn: Omfg GG u pick support but u dont play thresh??! Me: My support picks are Alistar, Shen, Yorick, Zilean, or Zac. Which do you want? Caitlyn: wtf those arnt reel support gtfo nub Me: Would you rather I play what I am good with or something just to please you? Caitlyn: yes play thresh Shen: I told you I don't play Thresh. I am out of time - I need to pick something. [Locks in Shen] Caitlyn: OMMGGGG OK OK BLITZKRANK Shen: Dude, I am locked in and Blitzcrank wasn't on the list I offered. Caitlyn: FFS REPORT nub support some1 dodge

[The game is about to begin...]

1 minute in: Caitlyn: u beter peel 4 me u fukin nub sup Shen: I plan to... Just let me do my job. Caitlyn: wel u beter do it good

4 minutes in: Caitlyn: WTF WARD U WORTHLESS SUP Shen: I just did ward... My trinket is on cooldown. I notice you still have yours available - use it. Caitlyn: Shut ur fkin mouth and dont tell me wat 2 do i new shen supp was troll pick Shen: Just because you aren't familiar with it doesn't make it a troll pick... Caitlyn: if ur a reel supp weres ur sitestone huh?? anser me dat u troll Shen: We are 4 and a half minutes in. I haven't even gone back to shop. Do you seriously expect me to have a completed sightstone already? That's like me asking you where your B.F. Sword is.

[The enemy XinZhao is spotted approaching from the river.]

Shen: [Pings retreat at the river] Caitlyn: ... and idgaf if u got relic shield... Shen: [Continues pinging then dash-taunts Xin Zhao as he charges in] Caitlyn: ...and if u take 1 more cs ill feed... [I get CCed and the enemy bot-laners collapse in - I am forced to flash away leaving Caitlynn exposed.] Caitlyn: ...just 1 more cs i dare u dumass troll... [An ally has been slain. Caitlyn]

Caitlyn: omg wtf just happened Shen: We just got ganked... Caitlyn: WTF Y DINT U WARD WTF SO WORTHLESS!!! Shen: We had vision and I pinged to retreat... Maybe if you hadn't been so busy trash talking... Caitlyn: just stfu u said u would peel im done talking to u dumass Shen: I tried to peel... I taunted Xin and almost died trying to save you. Caitlyn: maybe if u were playing a reel supp like thresh u wold be useful Shen: Sigh... I thought you said you were done talking to me... Caitlyn: ...i even say i let u be blitzkrank... Caitlyn: but noooooo... u just had to troll... Caitlyn: its trolls like u who mak this games suck...

Swaid11 votes

I picked up supporting for a few games, I actaully got congratulated for my plays and what not as Braum, but then the problems set in: ADCs making stupid moves, blaming me for stupid shit they did (after saving them multiple times just to have them fuck up again), and the worst is when we do bad in bottom and just feel useless most of the game. Those didn't happen often, but what burned me the most was this: I picked Top Main and Support Secondary, but I really started to miss going top lane, so I switched back to Top Main and Middle Secondary.

Matezoide11 votes

Everyone wants to be a rockstar.

Nobody wants to be a roadie.

It is literally that simple.

rinsujo6 votes

I'm perfectly fine with being a roadie, but I don't soloqueue support anymore for exactly the reason outlined in the Vayne/lulu pic. Right now, there are exactly two ways to get me to support - new draft, and I got unlucky, or if I know you. But I have IRL friends I refuse to support because I get yelled at for not reading their damn minds.

Jet Sett8 votes

I like to play supports with really nice cc that can engage well, it makes me feel awesome whenever I get someone in a cc chain and my allies kill them while they are restricted by my abilities, it feels great to land the perfect hook into flay, or the perfect double knock-up after timing pulverize after headbutt (though I'm not sure if the buff went through that made the combo unmissable, but it felt just as good before as it does now) the lack of gold is only apparent to me when I got back early and see I can't afford full item, sightstone, or boots yet when other teammates have similar amounts of gold spent before I do my first back.

All in all, it seems like unless your team is grateful and engages/disengages well, you probably won't enjoy the role much and this is a clear issue; Supports can't do anything by themselves, I imagine this is on purpose since supports could end up being the most overpowered thing in the game if they had as many sources of damage as they do cc, or as many escapes as Leblanc Zed Ahri . I know some supports build damage, but there are also those utility items you miss out on, or tank items you need to frontline, although I feel like utility items right now outside of sightstone aren't very satisfying to use, item 3222 I know what this does, but it feels so lackluster especially if misused, and most times the situation calls for it, the carry is probably dead since you have to time it perfectly to actually save them from the damage that usually follows CC.

Original Quitter8 votes

I used to main support, and the reason I stopped was not because of crappy adc's, people not helping me ward, and not getting credit for things, it's because Riot does everything is can to FORCE you onto either a tanky melee or a squishy healer. If Rito really wanted to open this game up, they would make APC viable as support. Since they have all but removed them from mid lane with the exception of maybe a Fizz, Lux or occasional cho, they really could easily shift the AP to bot lane, and it would be fun as hell.

Velkoz Annie Anivia Volibear Trundle Cassiopeia

All of these supports can hard carry a game.

Stop playing the same boring stuff that you see on every stream, there are STILL champions out there that shine in "off-meta" roles, until Riot nerfs them of course. Vel'Koz deals TONS of damage, I mean TONS. I regularly out damage everyone in the game on both teams as Vel support. He has great CC and ridiculous damage. Voli support in plat and down is simply broken. Trundle, while he may suck in lane until like lvl 6-9 once you break out of lanning pahse you are suddenly a god even if you are 0-5-2. Anivia is great if your ADC sucks or people keep leaving a lane open and you can suck up some CS. She is even better with a good vayne as you can double stun, plus her lvl 1 is incredibly strong, not to mention her tower baiting ability.

Velkoz MissFortune Lucian Anivia Vayne Graves Cassiopeia Twitch

The rest can be paired with anyone.

Start actually building item 2301 - yeah it may not be the best item but it saves you a lot of cash and gets you to a real power spike item faster while allowing you to ward. Sure the higher the Elo the less advantageous these champs become but lets face it, 60% of the player base isn't even gold so what does it really matter.

THEJJSLAY6 votes

I take great pains to thank my support for everything when I adc, I used to main support way back in the day before supporting was easy, so I know the feels [zombie-nunu-tears]

Dataless6 votes

If support mains care so much about how poorly they are treated the answer is simple. Stop caring.

Then again I'm a Bard main, not caring about what other people think and doing my own thing is kinda what he's made for.

Stillname5 votes

PSA: if you are fed as an ADC and win the game toss your support a "/all This Janna too op" at the end before you gg

shyv5 votes

that last one is so real. when you're level 1 and you hear vayne leveling w you know it's gonna be a long ass game.

Oberic4 votes

I miss utility supports being a solid staple of the game.

As someone who considers himself a support "main" (I still play everything else, but I think like a support regardless and am rarely upset at having to support when I didn't intend on it), the reason I don't enjoy support as much as I used to is due to Riot's terrible handling of supports going into other lanes, and support items being abused on non-supports. Rather than fixing the problems, they just nerf the supports or their items. Ice Queen's Claim is a good recent example. It's been gutted for being good on ap mids. I'd rather have the old spooky ghost item back (the name eludes my memory..), and old Frost Queen active.

Likewise many support items were removed or completely changed to suit other roles better. The only auras I can think of off the top of my head is Locket of the Iron Solari's meager resist aura, and Banner of Command's minion buffing aura. We used to have lifesteal, cooldown reduction, spellvamp, armor+resist, health regen, and even attack damage auras.

What actives we supports do still have have been nerfed due to tanks/fighters/mages using them too much as well. So rather than them becoming unappealing items for those classes, they became just unappealing in general.

Nowadays if you don't play a mage or tank in the support spot you're just gimping yourself. I will continue to gimp myself as much as I need to, I'm not giving up Soraka no matter how much Riot nerfs and reworks her. :/

I feel really bad for Janna and Lulu mains.

Best Valor NA3 votes

Or because it's boring.

CarameI Frappe13 votes

Bard - You won't ever grow bored with him, trust me.

Larnexe3 votes

TL:DR, Play some non meta supports and do good as them if you want people to acknowledge you as a support player and not just some bot that they blame everything on. PS: Junglers feel the pain of that blame too.item 3070

I have mained support for a few years now. I just played whatever when I started league back when Cassiopeia was released. Then around season 3 I bought Sona and never really went away from support as a main role. You are gonna get stuck with dem feels but Rito has tried making it easier for Supports believe it or not. Trinkets to help keep your item slots open for actual items instead of ward stacking all game, making warding a team effort. So I don't really complain that much when someone claims it's my fault, if it was I own up to it or call myself on it, if not I ignore it and just keep going at it. Just a side note, there are more supports out there then just the "Support" and "Tank" labeled supports. Play something new and fun as a support, do good at it, people will take notice and give you credit and stop treating you like crap. Ever do support Vi , Evelynn , or even someone like Shaco, some great fun, alot of bs slung your way in the start but if you know the support well enough and you do your best and get your ADC fed or help protect your team in a fight mid/late game it will be noticed especially on the non meta supports. Remember Meta is just purely a "This is working the best and easiest in this role so why not just go with it".

ThâtTastedPurple2 votes

I totally agree. I was an ADC main back in the days, but switched to support in rankeds last season because "support" was basically last pick and most of them really didn't know what they are doing (I wanted to go mid so I'm gonna play Soraka like I was Katarina and feed, I don't care!). All worked out fine.

Right now I just don't want to play at all xD I'm meeting so many really stupid people. These "ADCs" who are getting caught by EVERY hook/grab/something, die and then go like "OMFG THIS LANE IS SO LOST, CAN'T WIN LANE WITH A FKING LULU"...no, honey. YOU can't win your lane because YOUR positioning is aweful. Because you are overextending. I pinged you to not stay here with your 50 HP, but instead of recalling you turned around and you ran straight in their faces....what do you want me to do? You are constantly out of position, constantly getting caught, so what do you want me to do? Lately, some of them were so bad and so toxic that I left botlane to support our mid because it was just no helping them anyways. Seriously, I'm not the best player or ADC myself but if you can't even get basic positioning right and are overextending af, DON'T BLAME YOUR SUPPORT! I can't do more than put everything I have on the table to correct YOUR mistake, but some people just don't want to be saved! I save them AND THEY RUN STRAIGHT BACK IN! Just to blame it on me. Gosh, how I hate people xD

That felt good. Thank you for this thread xD

Love, a frustrated Support Janna

CarameI Frappe5 votes

Varus: "Hey Thresh, we need more wards."

Thresh: "On it."

Varus: "OMG THRESH YOU LET ME DIE YOU USELESS SUPPORT!

Thresh: "But you told me to war-

Varus: "You're supposed to watch me, noob. Have map awareness!"

Thresh: "................... Sorry."

Five minutes later

Varus: "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?!!"

Thresh: "Helping jungler get dragon-"

Varus: "I DIED DIVING THE ADC AND SUPPORT. YOU COULD OF SAVED ME WITH LANTERN!!"

Thresh: "Why weren't you farming under towe-"

Varus: "GO DIE THRESH YOU'RE DEAD TO ME."

Varus: "/all Hey please report Thresh he doesn't help me ever."

Thresh: "................. ......."

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