The life cycle of updated Graves:
I haven't seen a person playing Graves who isn't somebody who suddenly picks up Graves with a 8.0 KDA and 90% win rate after maining support for 5 seasons.
Blu3 Blood Blues2 voteshttps://gyazo.com/4917d7a07ebc890ccb2c590c981b412d :D hes pretty busted
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes[{quoted}](name=Blu3 Blood Blues,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V107vqpT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-29T09:45:11.243+0000)
https://gyazo.com/4917d7a07ebc890ccb2c590c981b412d :D hes pretty busted
Graves with red buff is retarded
Ahristocats2 votesHe's in a perfect spot right now
certainlyt did a good job with him as the champion looks more like an "all in adc" but we can blame him for making graves a jungler instead of going bot lane
the problem with graves's design is that he's able to go botlane only when he can do a lot of damage from range (pre-rework) which imbalanced him everytime
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V107vqpT,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-29T11:37:49.462+0000)
He's in a perfect spot right now
certainlyt did a good job with him as the champion looks more like an "all in adc" but we can blame him for making graves a jungler instead of going bot lane
the problem with graves's design is that he's able to go botlane only when he can do a lot of damage from range (pre-rework) which imbalanced him everytime
He's a champ that hits you for 2x his total AD on regular hits and lifesteals for his entire health bar every aa. It's retarded
Ahristocats2 votesonly when he's close to you? and lifesteal can be cut by 2 with mortal reminder
and his AA have cooldowns
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V107vqpT,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-01-29T13:19:11.284+0000)
only when he's close to you? and lifesteal can be cut by 2 with mortal reminder
So what you're saying:
If you're melee you're fucked because he does 2x damage to you and you still cant hit him.
and his AA have cooldowns
If I have 0.1 attack speed, but every hit does 20000 damage, is it balanced?
Jhin has no mobility or damage if the enemy is in his face after 4th shot. Graves can just dash away, ult away, slow, remove vision, and be ready to do 200-300% damage hits for days
Ahristocats2 votes[{quoted}](name=Covert Ops Gnar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V107vqpT,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-30T05:35:11.519+0000)
If you're melee you're fucked because he does 2x damage to you and you still cant hit him.
Yes, this is exactly what i'm saying
[{quoted}](name=Covert Ops Gnar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V107vqpT,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-30T05:35:11.519+0000) If I have 0.1 attack speed, but every hit does 20000 damage, is it balanced?
no it isn't, but graves doesn't do this
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V107vqpT,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-30T05:54:23.994+0000)
Yes, this is exactly what i'm saying
then how is he balanced lmfao
OurLestrade1 votesIt's funny actually, Graves was my main ADC for a while (Support main), yet whenever I play new Graves I do zero damage no matter how close I am. When other people are up in my face as him I'm dead within seconds though :O
JackMcSnipeyz1 votesOkay he does 2x damage in each shot (if you're close) but.
-He has the lowest range out of every marksman -he has capped attack speed -he has to reload every 2 shots
This means: he's an early mid game champ, late game when people have attack speed and resistances, his burst doesn't kill them and he cant attack fast enough to keep with other ADC.
Yea he was overtuned at release but he got enough nerfs to every stat he has and he's now at a balanced spot stop complaining about what's aint broken.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesOkay he does 2x damage in each shot (if you're close) but.
-He has the lowest range out of every marksman -he has capped attack speed -he has to reload every 2 shots
This means: he's an early mid game champ, late game when people have attack speed and resistances, his burst doesn't kill them and he cant attack fast enough to keep with other ADC.
Yea he was overtuned at release but he got enough nerfs to every stat he has and he's now at a balanced spot stop complaining about what's aint broken.
is that why he's a go-to for boosters?