Alongside having a shitton of CC, a unique ability to save retards and have 2 fucking HP bars?
He is seriously worse to deal with then season 1 Garen, atleast Garen had no hard fucking CC
Penns1 votesIdk why this pointless Tahm hate annoys me like that but it really does lol.
SwapShadows1 votesIdk why this pointless Tahm hate annoys me like that but it really does lol.
Tahm is one of the most anti-fun broken champions in the game.
go figure
Penns2 votesHe might be annoying, but he is nowhere near broken lol. Unlike champs like Veigar, he has actual counterplay and not just "buy 
and hope he wont kill you lel". (pre nerfs and in Season 5 at least) He is a melee tank with 0 reliable mobility, go slow him once, kite him and hes dead, who cares if he gets away with his shield, he is still gone.
Its just annoying how Tahm is always the exception. His shitty win rate in any role and any elo doesnt matter, regardless of his low skill cap, "ALL tanks got a HUGE nerf this season", but Tahm magically didnt,... Tahm is easily outdamaged by Seju for example, at basically any point of the game and against any target (except for HP- stacking tanks but they cant fight Seju either), yet he "100-0s bruisers"...
SwapShadows1 votesHe might be annoying, but he is nowhere near broken lol. Unlike champs like Veigar, he has actual, healthy counterplay and not just "buy
Its just annoying how Tahm is always the exception. His shitty win rate in any role and any elo doesnt matter, regardless of his low skill cap, "ALL tanks got a HUGE nerf this season", but Tahm magically didnt,... Tahm is easily outdamaged by Seju for example, at basically any point of the game and against any target (except for HP- stacking tanks but they cant fight Seju either), yet he "100-0s bruisers"...
no I think you're lost.
He's designed as a support who can disrupt heavily but the way his stack mechanic works along with his %hp damage his weakness of being kiteable is thrown right out the window.
His ability to never be kited along with his full HP shield, slow, %hp damage and stun is what makes him disgustingly broken.
Critmaster Garen1 votesim only annoyed, that they still didnt touch his stack mechanic. that is all. they dodnt need to give him any large nerfs, just have his passive stacks drop of all at once instead of slowly decaying one by one. no other 3 stack mechanic in the game works like that.
the problem is, it allows him to constantly keep the stacks up by spamming tongue lash, and spitting minions at you. this creates a situation where he can poke the hell out of you, but at the same time prevent you from engaging on him, because you immediately get eaten and take a fuckton of damage.
all i want is this change. it wouldnt be huge. it would only force him to auto attack in melee once or twice to get 3 stacks, and give you a chance to get rid of them by staying at a distance. forcing you to afk 20 seconds to get rid of all the stacks that he can build back up with barely any efford is not acceptable.
Penns1 votesSo he can poke you with his 14 second cooldown W and at the same time prevent you from engaging on him because he can use his W on you?
Critmaster Garen1 votesSo he can poke you with his 14 second cooldown W and at the same time prevent you from engaging on him because he can use his W on you?
no, but tongue lash has like a 5 second cooldown. if youre in the red zone, it stuns. so he can just walk away and then resume poking.#
the w spit isnt really necessary but reliable way to get stacks up on you due to the area and range it covers.
my problem with him is just that his passive has such a freaking long decay time. if he needs buffs after this change, thats fine but its such a frustrating mechanic.
Penns1 votesBut its easily blocked by minions. If you complain about Blitz Q, for example, I can assure you everyone would spam "lel hide behind minions noob"... Seriously, you shouldnt have any problems against Tahm in lane until level 6 at least. Tahm is literally a free lane if you play right.
Critmaster Garen1 votesBut its easily blocked by minions. If you complain about Blitz Q, for example, I can assure you everyone would spam "lel hide behind minions noob"... Seriously, you shouldnt have any problems against Tahm in lane until level 6 at least. Tahm is literally a free lane if you play right.
tahm isnt a free lane because you cant make any plays on him if he doesnt want you to. like i said, his stacks are ridiculously easy to build. and the slow and stun guarantee that he can disenage easily.
hiding behind minions doesnt help against his minion spit. and if youre not playing a ranged champion youre often simply forced to step out of minion cover. unless you dont want to get cs on caster minions.
pre 6 tahm is really easy to play passive with. post 6 hes really good at playing passive and constantly poking.
hes not terrible, or particularly op. but i still think they should make this change to his stack mechanic so you downt want to claw your eyes out playing against him. they can give him some better numbers somewhere to compensate for all i care. it would just make his passive less anoying to deal with.
Penns1 votes"Free lane" doesnt mean free kills, "free lane" means free farm. You might have a hard time killing him in lane (its pretty easy tho from what Ive seen), but he cant make plays on you at all either.
What Tahm uses his his W on minions in lane tho? This thing does 70 damage in lane, if not less. I wouldnt even care getting hit by that lol and he certainly cant fight you just because he got that stack on you because guess what? His main damage spell is on cooldown now.
Critmaster Garen1 votes"Free lane" doesnt mean free kills, "free lane" means free farm. You might have a hard time killing him in lane (its pretty easy tho from what Ive seen), but he cant make plays on you at all either.
What Tahm uses his his W on minions in lane tho? This thing does 70 damage in lane, if not less. I wouldnt even care getting hit by that lol and he certainly cant fight you just because he got that stack on you because guess what? His main damage spell is on cooldown now.
the waveclear from his w is actually quite good. using it on minions isnt unusual.
with rod of ages and his ult passive at 6 it becomes a quite powerful tool to reliably build stacks on your opponent/get poke in, while farming minions with it.
if you try to use that window to engage on him, he can just hit a q and walk away. if yous till make it past the q, hes tanky enough with his e to take a little bit of damage before he can q or worse w you again.
hes just really frustratrating. and i blame the way his passive stacks decay very slowly instead of vanish like it works with every other champ.
imagine darius bleed stacks would just go away 1 by 1 after each 3 seconds instead of all falling off. thats how anoying tahms passive is to deal with.
Penns1 votesMaybe, but theres nothing wrong with an immobile tank that has 0 aoe CC and useless aoe damage having some wave clear or poke, or am I wrong here? People always act like his ult just makes him oneshot anything. Ill tell you 3 "milestones" of his ult, which he only reaches when he is pretty fed: At level 6 with 1500 HP, his ult does 40 bonus dmg. At level 11 with 2300 HP, it does ~70 bonus dmg. And at level 16 with 3500 HP, it does 140.
I dont really see how thats broken since he has fairly low base damages (I know.. his W), its his ult and he only has 2 damaging spells.
Critmaster Garen1 votesMaybe, but theres nothing wrong with an immobile tank that has 0 aoe CC and useless aoe damage having some wave clear or poke, or am I wrong here? People always act like his ult just makes him oneshot anything. Ill tell you 3 "milestones" of his ult, which he only reaches when he is pretty fed: At level 6 with 1500 HP, his ult does 40 bonus dmg. At level 11 with 2300 HP, it does ~70 bonus dmg. And at level 16 with 3500 HP, it does 140.
I dont really see how thats broken since he has fairly low base damages (I know.. his W), its his ult and he only has 2 damaging spells.
are we talking about the same champion? because tahm has a slow/stun on a short cooldown and his w is one of the strongest forms of cc in the game.
Penns1 votes"0 aoe CC", if you mean that. Also, Tahms W is pretty hard to "rate". Its the "strongest" form of CC, but it also is one of the worst at the same time since no one else can damage that target, which is what CC is mostly used for. To kill someone. If Tahm gets in range to W you with his team around, youre probably dead anyway but still.
SwapShadows1 votesSo he can poke you with his 14 second cooldown W and at the same time prevent you from engaging on him because he can use his W on you?
also the fact that tahm is literally one of the best duelists in the game, especially late game.
AS A SUPPORT CHAMP lol
Penns1 votesThats the thing, he isnt a support champ. His W is the only ability that gets close to being designed for a support, everything else is just normal top lane/ jungle tank. Thresh is designed as a support, Janna, Soraka,... but Tahm really isnt.
SwapShadows1 votesThats the thing, he isnt a support champ. His W is the only ability that gets close to being designed for a support, everything else is just normal top lane/ jungle tank. Thresh is designed as a support, Janna, Soraka,... but Tahm really isnt.
no that's the problem
he is designed mainly as a support with his ult and devourer but the extra bullshit damage that he has is what makes him broken.
Penns1 votesThis is like saying "Veigar was designed to be an anti mage". No hes not. He got 1 ability to counter mages and the same thing applies to Tahm, he got 1 half support half damage spell and a little support mechanic on his ult, which is just as good as top laner or jungler.
SwapShadows1 votesThis is like saying "Veigar was designed to be an anti mage". No hes not. He got 1 ability to counter mages and the same thing applies to Tahm, he got 1 half support half damage spell and a little support mechanic on his ult, which is just as good as top laner or jungler.
what are you smoking? he's been stated like 20000 times by riot that he's meant to function mainly as a support, working in other lanes happens to all other champions it doesn't mean they were designed to be in that role.
Penns1 votesRiot has also stated that they initially designed Tahm to be a top lane tank..
SwapShadows1 votesRiot has also stated that they initially designed Tahm to be a top lane tank..
???? he was meant to be a primary support..... you don't get to be a primary support or toplaner at the same time at release
Penns1 votesWe initially designed Tahm Kench as a top lane tank
k
SwapShadows1 votesk
he's not supposed to function as a top lane tank as his primary role, are you trolling?
Penns1 votesI said "initially designed to be one" and thats literally what Riot said.. are you trolling lel?
Jamaree1 votesBecause the forums and pros alike begged for him to get buffed and called him weak.
Now deal with it.
Dominick Destine1 votesSeason 1 Garen sucked.... the only thing that was remotely decent about 'him' was stacking 4 sunfire capes and a force of nature/mercs.
RedCyclone1 votesSeason 1 garen certainly did not suck
He was the guy who only built tank items but could completely shit on anyone he wanted with retarded damage Please recheck your memory banks
Mr Malrin1 votesAlongside having a shitton of CC, a unique ability to save retards and have 2 fucking HP bars?
He is seriously worse to deal with then season 1 Garen, atleast Garen had no hard fucking CC
not too much unlike Volibear really. 2 minute passive that gives him another 33% health (like tahms shield/heal mostly) VB has a stun with built in gap close, a att spd passive that activates to do dmg based on VB health AND enemy health, then theres the AOE fear and AOE ult. And you can 100-0 anyone that isn't just as tanky and there isn''t much the enemy can do about it and can do this without building a single point of AP!!!
but yet nobody complains about VB?