You can't even attempt to help losing lanes with the game in this state

Yenn·Jun 19, 2018·35 votes·12,357 views

Fix the amount of damage going around.

I went from Gold III to Diamond with 62% win rate as Udyr at the start of the season, decayed to Platinum III, and now I'm something like 1-12 with Udyr, because it's become impossible to carry or influence games.

If one of my lanes is losing, I'm likely going to die in 2-3 seconds if I attempt to help it, because damage is so absurdly high, and the enemy is going to snowball out of control whether I help or not.

23 Comments

SugarliciousJun 19, 201812 votes

I noticed that too. If somebody dies even twice, that lane is gone. Jungler can no longer help due to jungle changes - they are always 1-2 levels behind - and even trying to kill the fed enemy will most likely result in him getting even more fed. And this usually happens in the first 10 minutes, so you already know that your game is lost, your motivation drops, people start flaming the feeder, and you spend 20 min trying to turn it around, but you can't. It's really not fun, it's just the game of hoping you won't end up with a feeder, and you somehow always do.

Daddy AntsJun 19, 20188 votes

I completely agree.

When I'm jungling If a lane is 0/3 or worse I tend to ignore it and try to snowball the other lanes.

I played a game just now as jungle.

Matchup was Twitch (Me) vs Kindred

Early game went well.

I applied early pressure to mid lane so my Lux had an easier time farming.

Then my top laner decides to hard shove his lane like a monkey, Myself and Lux start spam pinging him to back as Kindred was on the way up. He continues pushing and concedes first blood.

He then TP's back to lane, get's repeat ganked and dies again.

Enemy Sion now 2/0 with first Blood advantage.

Darius tries fighting Sion and dies, Now Sion's 3/0.

Darius starts saying "How about some help, Twitch?"

I end the game 13/4/4 even with a Kindred hard invading me but we lose because of our Top and Support feeding their asses off.

Kozmo tin canJun 19, 20181 votes

Every. Single. Game. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

5050BSJun 19, 20181 votes

The issue is that the first death set him back so much he could not even 1v1 so the enemy jungler will gank over and over.

It would be better for him to just go mid or bot. Riot needs to stop the level 1-5 snowball shit by making death timers, exp and gold early from kills a lot less.

Unstoppable MonkJun 19, 20187 votes

IT LOOKS LIKE BEAR SEASON IS OVER

Arcane Blue BoiJun 19, 20186 votes

if you try to help mid, the enemy assassin just 1 shots you and runs away lul

RyrynounetJun 20, 20181 votes

relatable

PhDs NutsJun 19, 20184 votes

Yeah, if I start to win bot lane I love seeing a gank coming. What usually happens is the jungler is 1-2 seconds out in front of the enemy bot lane so we just kill the jungler first.

3TWarriorJun 19, 20181 votes

reminds me of way back in season four or early five

Im in lane as sona, my marksman goes all ham and dies to a ranged lane-bully comp of X + blitzcrank. I had backed off like we both should have, but then, "Danger, danger, danger!" I ping at the incoming jungler trying to claim the "weakened" (I don't remember the health percentages but it wasn't enough). They immediately died as I continued to back off but then

Blitzcrank : Flash W Ghost!

blitzcrank closed the distance in an instant, Q'd me before my character even moved and wombo-comboed me for their lane to have the triple T.T

XD the game may have been balanced then, but lol, just some of the things players could see

option paralysisJun 19, 20184 votes

same here bro, went from plat 3 to diamond 1, then dropped to diamond 4 now because I can't do jack shit with udyr anymore. I get kited and killed in 2 seconds.

StrawberrycocoaJun 19, 20183 votes

My experience so far has been that if you die in lane even once, you're fucked forever. There's no point even trying after that, the power spike just becomes too oppressive to deal with.

RebeccaUCuberJun 19, 20182 votes

I literally stopped climbing after 8.12 patch. Support main :, (

Troll for TrumpJun 19, 20182 votes

You can, most people don't want to.

SlythionJun 19, 20182 votes

Isn't Udyr pretty meta rn? A quick look shows his 53.5% winrate with a 3.5% play rate

YennJun 19, 20181 votes

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Isn't Udyr pretty meta rn? A quick look shows his 53.5% winrate with a 3.5% play rate

The win rate usually isn't because of Udyr's contribution, it's because he's strong during the early game and can't really be invaded safely, so no matter what he does, he's not detrimental to his team before the point where the game is decided by the lanes.

If you dig into his statistics, you'll see that he generally has extremely low kill participation compared to other jungles, and most of his wins are 15 minute surrenders.

SlythionJun 20, 20181 votes

Ahh, I appreciate the response man. I haven't been playing much the last 2 weeks because work/school + this meta doesn't seem to fun to me, so I really didn't know too much about champion-specific situations. That's good to know though, so thanks again

Pika FoxJun 19, 20181 votes

"i cant win, so its riots fault".

Alex h8721Jun 19, 20181 votes

"ThEy MaDe It So YoU cAn SoLo CaRrY"

Lmao, not according to my last ranked game (8-2 as ww), but had a toplane rakan who fed and was useless, botlane both fed, midlane at least tried (and had half decent CS) but that game was the definition of un-winnable.

These days it hardly matters which of the 2 teams has the best players, its more about the team w/ more awful players (edit: or trolls) is highly likely to lose.

HammermancerJun 19, 20181 votes

Idunno i just got stomped in lane with a a 40 cs deficit, my adc ragequit and my mid laner attempted to help me but then just sorta.. died to my lane opponent getting 1shot by an illaoi ult

anyways i wound up going 6/1 getting an S and winning the game 4v5

FixHealsRemoveGWJun 19, 20181 votes

If you want to carry you should also expect that somebody else will carry instead. You just need to be faster. Snowballing will always happen and you can either try to do something yourself or watch it happen. Especially as jungler it helps a lot to have some knowledge about the lane matchups so you are there when it matters.

SharukenJun 19, 20181 votes

Agreed A Taric stun with two empowered auto attacks takes half of my health as Bard

ZeromatsuJun 19, 20181 votes

The dmg was already this high at the start of season. People just figured out which champions can abuse the current meta most...

It feels more like people doing what they want cause they now have an excuse to play shit. I mean before season 8 you knew what to play, how to play and where to play. All the changes, especially the "roleswitch" (bruisers) at bottom lane, make the game even more snowbally and a fiesta cause a lot of people are not used to it.

Riot clearly has to do something. We need another big patch which will fix a lot of the issues. Small patches won't help at this point.

BigFBearJun 19, 20181 votes

Same here. I am otp Voli/Jungle on two accounts. My Main-Acc was mid Plat few Months ago (Plat 1 last Season). But i only play on my Smurf-Acc atm and i can't even get out of gold with Voli. I stuck in mid gold since jungle changes, while my main is mid Plat. I feel so squishy as Tank. Even with 3 Tank-Items. And when i'm fed i can rarely carry. I hate this Season.