Retire it. I'm tired of the game being decided at 5 minutes because of shitters feeding their asses off in botlane.
Regardless, I have resolved to leave* EVERY game where my botlane has only half the CS/kills as the enemy's. You are not Qtpie. Do not rush GA, you rancid piece of shit, and if you do, don't feed.
*I already leave 4v5s where remake isn't an option
HalcyonDweller5 votesIf you throw tantrums like a toddler and leave your teammates in a worse situation then you don't belong in League. Go find a nice single player game where you can't damage your teammates' game experience.
Incognonymous1 votesIf you throw tantrums like a toddler and leave your teammates in a worse situation then you don't belong in League. Go find a nice single player game where you can't damage your teammates' game experience.
I give people the benefit of the doubt, but there is a very clear line where that has to stop. 2:1 kill and CS ratio is an absolutely reasonable place to draw the line.
Regardless, I will never negotiate with ELO terrorists. Never.
DrCyanide3 votesRegardless, I will never negotiate with ELO terrorists. Never.
What kind of joke line is that? Did you even think it though?
You're literally saying "I'll take the loss so I'm more likely to get terrible teammates the next game and have to do this again." You're your own worse enemy here.
Incognonymous1 votesWhat kind of joke line is that? Did you even think it though?
You're literally saying "I'll take the loss so I'm more likely to get terrible teammates the next game and have to do this again." You're your own worse enemy here.
....if botlane is down by half, you're going to lose regardless. There is no danger in getting worse teammates if you already have a team full of shitters setting up African Relief Camps and ending world hunger. There is no danger here, except leaver's island or a different queue. I'd rather play with other leavers than feeders.
HalcyonDweller2 votes....if botlane is down by half, you're going to lose regardless.
Nothing is certain, you have to out-play the enemy. Carry from your position, or use a different strategy. If you turtle properly your team can make up the gold disadvantage and catch back up in power levels. People who give up and leave / surrender never get that opportunity because they aren't still in game to take advantage of it.
I'd rather play with other leavers than feeders.
Leavers and feeders are not mutually exclusive. Plenty of leavers are players who feed and then give up. You're not escaping anything by doing this, just setting yourself up to play with even more toxic players.
Incognonymous1 votesNothing is certain, you have to out-play the enemy. Carry from your position, or use a different strategy. If you turtle properly your team can make up the gold disadvantage and catch back up in power levels. People who give up and leave / surrender never get that opportunity because they aren't still in game to take advantage of it.
Three seasons ago I would've agreed with you. The state of the game does not allow for come-from-behind wins.
Leavers and feeders are not mutually exclusive. Plenty of leavers are players who feed and then give up. You're not escaping anything by doing this, just setting yourself up to play with even more toxic players.
Feeding is toxic. There's nothing more toxic, in fact. Someone verbally abusing you can be muted. You can't mute a feeder, nor can you even minimize their impact.
HalcyonDweller1 votesThree seasons ago I would've agreed with you. The state of the game does not allow for come-from-behind wins.
Of course it doesn't. You have to be taking advantages and working to get ahead in other areas on the map. Push objectives, create more pressure to force the enemy to do something other than focus on snowballing their winning lane.
Feeding is toxic. There's nothing more toxic, in fact. Someone verbally abusing you can be muted. You can't mute a feeder
Intentional feeding is toxic. People who are genuinely tilted or just bad are not. They need guidance if they are to stop. Getting angry at them does literally nothing to help you.
nor can you even minimize their impact.
This is only true in the case of intentional feeders. With teammates who are tilting or are bad, you can communicate with them to help them cool off or learn what to do better. The thing is you can't be insulting or condescending because that will just push them further over the edge.
Lyndris1 votesYa now in my map (Twisted Treeline) we have these thing called bot scripters, and in an effect 2v4 i can still win. There is a whole lot more to this game than KDA
Incognonymous1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cosmic Vlix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UuY6VKfE,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-05-12T18:20:50.397+0000)
Ya now in my map (Twisted Treeline) we have these thing called bot scripters, and in an effect 2v4 i can still win. There is a whole lot more to this game than KDA
....WHAT THE FUCK DOES THI-
YOU THINK YOUR STUPID ANECDOTES ABOUT CHEATERS MEANS ANYTHING?!
AJHAHAHAHAAHA
IS THIS THE BEST YOU HAVE TO OFFER, GAMEPLAY?
Lyndris1 votesYes, because how you play is everything, game sense and knowledge are my best tools. I lack mechanical skill and get bored csing and go all aggro, which means i tend to be behind in cs. Power is not everything, if it were outplaying wouldn't be a thing.
I understand feeders are frustrating but we all have bad games. Besides I came to play, not afk. And from reading this thread, and as a mage main, You lack comprehension of the marksmen role. Their positioning is rather difficult.
And lastly you should consider how full is the glass?
DrCyanide3 votes....if botlane is down by half, you're going to lose regardless.
Maybe, maybe not.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2489414243/42592968?tab=overview
@ 9:00
- 3/1/0 51 CS
- 0/0/2 13 CS
vs
- 1/4/0 34 CS
- 0/0/1 2 CS
Thresh + Draven were more than double Xayah + Sona, don't even try to nitpick the CS because you know full well that a Draven with 3 kills has cashed in on enough gold from his passive to make up for the CS difference.
And yet, Draven and Thresh lost the game, because other lanes have an impact too.
At the 14 minute mark their team lost their gold lead and never got it back. They lost the game in 33 minutes, despite having a fed Riven, a Draven who had been doing so well early game, and a Vi who had been ganking wonderfully.
You're only Silver 2, it's time you realize that games like these have the same types of players you're playing with. Comebacks happen all the stinking time in Silver.
Incognonymous1 votesMaybe, maybe not. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2489414243/42592968?tab=overview @ 9:00
Thresh + Draven were more than double Xayah + Sona, don't even try to nitpick the CS because you know full well that a Draven with 3 kills has cashed in on enough gold from his passive to make up for the CS difference.
And yet, Draven and Thresh lost the game, because other lanes have an impact too.
At the 14 minute mark their team lost their gold lead and never got it back. They lost the game in 33 minutes, despite having a fed Riven, a Draven who had been doing so well early game, and a Vi who had been ganking wonderfully.
Nice anecdote. No one ever said other lanes couldn't make a difference, only that botlane was more impactful. You had a gold lead for 70% of the game. This is not evidence. If anything it proves my point. You had a feeder botlane, that is what I am railing against.
You're only Silver 2, it's time you realize that games like these have the same types of players you're playing with. Comebacks happen all the stinking time in Silver.
I don't play Ranked. Nor is Rank relevant in normals. Please, stop this retarded fallacy. It's embarrassing.
DrCyanide4 votesNice anecdote. No one ever said other lanes couldn't make a difference, only that botlane was more impactful.
Really? Are you telling me that when you said...
I'm tired of the game being decided at 5 minutes because of shitters feeding their asses off in botlane.
...you meant the game actually wasn't decided, and that you could influence it, it was just harder?
You had a gold lead for 70% of the game. This is not evidence.
Did you forget your own statement at the start of your post?
You would have left the game at 5 minutes, when Xayah had already died twice and Draven had a kill. Even if we give you the very generous 9 minutes I did, you'd have looked at 2 kills to 7, with Draven having 3 kills, and decided the game was over.
You certainly can't use events that happened after the 14 minute mark in your defense, because you would have left before them.
I don't play Ranked. Nor is Rank relevant in normals.
It happens as often in Normals as it does in Ranked.
Please, stop this retarded fallacy. It's embarrassing.
I do believe I'm using fewer fallacies than you. At the very least, these two sentences you gave are Red Herrings, completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
Incognonymous1 votesReally? Are you telling me that when you said...
Rules and exceptions. Botlane is more impactful. If botlane is behind, you will likely lose the game. That doesn't mean you will, it just means its more likely. In your example, top, mid, and jungle were all ahead. In my example, every lane was behind, botlane especially. You don't come back from that.
You would have left the game at 5 minutes, when Xayah had already died twice and Draven had a kill. Even if we give you the very generous 9 minutes I did, you'd have looked at 2 kills to 7, with Draven having 3 kills, and decided the game was over.
Sure would've. If I'm going to lose, it's because I decided to. I will not give that decision to some shitter botlane.
You certainly can't use events that happened after the 14 minute mark in your defense, because you would have left before them.
I can, I am, and I will. Are you implying that you didn't win because of the massive gold advantage?
It happens as often in Normals as it does in Ranked.
I do believe I'm using fewer fallacies than you. At the very least, these two sentences you gave are Red Herrings, completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
False. But please, try and quote them.
DrCyanide3 votesRules and exceptions. Botlane is more impactful. If botlane is behind, you will likely lose the game. That doesn't mean you will, it just means its more likely. In your example, top, mid, and jungle were all ahead. In my example, every lane was behind, botlane especially. You don't come back from that.
In my game at 9 minutes both Mids had 1 kill, 1 death, Draven's top had 1 kill to 0, and Draven's Jungler had 2 kills to 0. How, exactly, is that "ahead"?
Any lane being ahead means you're more likely to win the game, not just bot lane.
Sure would've. If I'm going to lose, it's because I decided to. I will not give that decision to some shitter botlane.
And you would have lost instead of won for your decision.
I can, I am, and I will. Are you implying that you didn't win because of the massive gold advantage?
False. But please, try and quote them.
I already quoted the Red Herring example. Just now you've used Shifting the Burden of Proof. The post as a whole uses Retrospective Determinism to try and cast a few events from the past as destine to repeat again (else you would play the games), as well as the Two Wrongs Make a Right fallacy.
I'm sure we could go on, but as I've already noted your burden of proof shifting I think I'll wait for you to at least count that many fallacies in my post.
Incognonymous1 votesIn my game at 9 minutes both Mids had 1 kill, 1 death, Draven's top had 1 kill to 0, and Draven's Jungler had 2 kills to 0. How, exactly, is that "ahead"?
Picks and gold usage. You were ahead. That's why you won. Your anecdotes do not help you.
Any lane being ahead means you're more likely to win the game, not just bot lane.
Especially botlane.
And you would have lost instead of won for your decision.
I already quoted the Red Herring example. Just now you've used Shifting the Burden of Proof. The post as a whole uses Retrospective Determinism to try and cast a few events from the past as destine to repeat again (else you would play the games), as well as the Two Wrongs Make a Right fallacy.
I'm sure we could go on, but as I've already noted your burden of proof shifting I think I'll wait for you to at least count that many fallacies in my post.
This is embarrassing. You NEVER cited ANYTHING I said AS ANY OF THESE. YOU DID NOT QUOTE ANY RED HERRINGS YOU JUST SAID I MADE THEM
AND YOU'RE WRONG
STOP STOP NOW
You literally were just googling "logical fallacies" and claiming I committed them AFTER I POINTED OUT THE ACTUAL LOGICAL FALLACIES THAT YOU COMMITTED
Please, stop replying. I'm absolutely wiping my ass with you and I'm starting to feel bad for your parents. Monuments will be raised to the devastating defeat you have suffered here. Your descendants will bear your shame for generations.
DrCyanide3 votesI'm tired of dealing with a troll who can't use logic anyway. You've contradicted yourself too many times in this post for it to even be fun anymore.
Incognonymous1 votesI'm tired of dealing with a troll who can't use logic anyway. You've contradicted yourself too many times in this post for it to even be fun anymore.
I never contradicted myself. I had no burden to prove. I made no fallacies. You lost. Since you've decided on your own, I will not tell you to get the fuck out of my thread.
Scary Door3 votesRetire it. I'm tired of the game being decided at 5 minutes because of shitters feeding their asses off in botlane.
Regardless, I have resolved to leave* EVERY game where my botlane has only half the CS/kills as the enemy's. You are not Qtpie. Do not rush GA, you rancid piece of shit, and if you do, don't feed.
*I already leave 4v5s where remake isn't an option
Please enlighten me more oh great Silver 2 player, how can I improve?
Yes, that's right folks, the advice the OP is offering isn't coming from a Challenger or even Master tier player... I know, I was just as surprised as you were.
Although maybe I should give the OP some credit, I'm surprised with that attitude you're even Silver at all. I just love the match history; the OP calls people "shitters" and yet is the one feeding in most of their games with marginal (at best) CS.
Incognonymous1 votes[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UuY6VKfE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-05-12T16:21:06.725+0000)
Please enlighten me more oh great Silver 2 player, how can I improve?
Yes, that's right folks, the advice the OP is offering isn't coming from a Challenger or even Master tier player... I know, I was just as surprised as you were.
Although maybe I should give the OP some credit, I'm surprised with that attitude you're even Silver at all. I just love the match history; the OP calls people "shitters" and yet is the one feeding in most of their games with marginal (at best) CS.
I'm actually not Silver 2. I don't play Ranked. Someone hacked my account and has been playing Graves Jungle in Ranked. They didn't spend my loot stuff, didn't change my password, they left all my masteries and rune pages intact, so I saw no harm in letting them continue. I even left them a message in my masteries titles not to get the account b&.
To be honest, I hate ranked. I'm referring to Normals, which I realize isn't the gold standard for balance, but it's a game wide phenomenon.
EDIT: And just to be clear, no one takes your appeals to authority seriously. Logical fallacies are fun and all, I know. I never asked you to improve. I asked you to stop offering your ass to the enemy every time you get a fancy.
Scary Door1 votesOrdinarily I'd just let what you said stand on it's own, but I can't resist. You're telling us that someone has hacked your account, plays terribly and rage quits games, then you come on the forums and talk about how you rage quit games while playing terribly... Man, that "hacker" has your precise attitude and playstyle. You guys should be friends IRL.
Somewhat back to the topic: While I don't like it when someone says "it's only normals", you really shouldn't be raging at people because they feed, we all have bad games... apparently you and your, ehem "hacker" friend, have many. Try to be a bit more decent to people, maybe?
Incognonymous1 votes[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UuY6VKfE,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-05-12T16:35:16.166+0000)
Ordinarily I'd just let what you said stand on it's own, but I can't resist. You're telling us that someone has hacked your account, plays terribly and rage quits games, then you come on the forums and talk about how you rage quit games while playing terribly... Man, that "hacker" has your precise attitude and playstyle. You guys should be friends IRL.
No, the last few normal games were mine. I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. The Ranked games are his. I didn't ragequit. Some ELO terrorists were wasting my time (Mao was 0-3 at 4 minutes), so I wanted my eight minutes to do whatever rather than watch this fiesta unfold. And "playing terribly" is an exaggeration. Every lane was behind before the 7 minute mark. What exactly is a jungler supposed to do against a laner with a level and gold advantage? The deaths I did have were in a futile attempt to gank my braindead botlane, the catalyst of this thread.
Somewhat back to the topic: While I don't like it when someone says "it's only normals", you really shouldn't be raging at people because they feed, we all have bad games... apparently you and your, ehem "hacker" friend, have many. Try to be a bit more decent to people, maybe?
No. "I'm having a bad game" is fine. "I gave up first blood, teleported to lane and immediately died again" is not okay. Granted, that was toplane, and more to Anastaecia's point than mine. I just think botlane is generally more impactful.
Anastaecia2 votesI see this from every lane from one game to the next. It's not exclusive.
Incognonymous1 votesI see this from every lane from one game to the next. It's not exclusive.
That's true. Often multiple lanes at a time. The difference is, botlane is insanely impactful and very often determines the game.
Anastaecia1 votesExactly, but this is recent. ADCs and Supps (I'm one) didn't just get bad overnight. It's part of the current meta. It's not bot's fault. There has been a lot more early ganks and mid roaming bot from what I have seen in the past few weeks.
TBH, I miss being able to chill for the first 10m just mildly exchanging with the enemy bot, but anymore, you can expect some sort of action before level 6.
Incognonymous1 votesExactly, but this is recent. ADCs and Supps (I'm one) didn't just get bad overnight. It's part of the current meta. It's not bot's fault. There has been a lot more early ganks and mid roaming bot from what I have seen in the past few weeks.
TBH, I miss being able to chill for the first 10m just mildly exchanging with the enemy bot, but anymore, you can expect some sort of action before level 6.
Played since s2. I guess that was around the advent of 0 support CS, and I would say it started then. Granted, the game speed being faster and more snowbally, your observations are likely true.
DeathBurst2 votesCool, continue afk'ing just a tiny bit more and we should get rid of you definitely, thanks to the mighty ban hammer.
Incognonymous1 votesCool, continue afk'ing just a tiny bit more and we should get rid of you definitely, thanks to the mighty ban hammer.
If leaverbuster actually worked, leaving and AFKs wouldn't be a problem, and remake wouldn't be necessary. How is that working out for you?
DeathBurst1 votesLeaverbuster can't punish anyone before they AFK at least one time. You can't avoid getting an AFK once in a while, even if it works perfectly.
Pie Cubed1 votesIf you think you can do better then play bot lane.
Incognonymous1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pie Cubed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UuY6VKfE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-12T16:18:47.840+0000)
If you think you can do better then play bot lane.
Too easy. I have absolutely no respect for right-click mains, the exception being Graves and Kindred jungle.
At least Supports can make themselves useful.
Pie Cubed1 votesIf it's so easy then they wouldn't lose lane? Prove its easy. I'll look at the Challenger list soon and I expect you near the top as an ADC main.
Incognonymous1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pie Cubed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UuY6VKfE,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-05-12T18:24:42.111+0000)
If it's so easy then they wouldn't lose lane? Prove its easy. I'll look at the Challenger list soon and I expect you near the top as an ADC main.
I don't play Ranked.
Michael7021 votesWhat I really hate is a Jinx that rushes 
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Rewt2 voteshey man thats the highest damage build in the game dontcha'know?
69469238DEL11 votesi could see that with a BF sword
Incognonymous1 votesIt happens as often in Normals as it does in Ranked.
Your argument was that, because I was Silver 2 (I'm not), I should be more amenable to the state of the game at my level. It's irrelevant if it happens or not, it's your justification that boggles my mind.