TFW your ADC:

Z3Sleeper·Jan 22, 2018·42 votes·2,141 views

Wins Lane

https://imgur.com/XhXGSOV

Loses Lane

https://imgur.com/3Ulk09I

34 Comments

chipndip1Jan 22, 201821 votes

I mean, I've had my fair share of top laners that cost me the game regardless of everyone else's score, but aight.

Z3SleeperJan 22, 201810 votes

Same. Same goes for junglers and mid laners. Sometimes that's even me who cost the game when I go full boosted mode and feed a Riven.

But most of the time bot lane's performance is what wins or loses games.

Dankest KhanJan 22, 201810 votes

"Learn to play from behind"

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Xion The XIVJan 22, 20183 votes

is that even possible in this type of game now a days? Vayne/Darius going 6/1 early on. Snowball his lane until the point he can constantly 2v3. I just don't know if it is even realistically possible to play from behind in this game state atm. When I try the only one I can easily and helpfully do that on is an Anivia mid since I can clear waves instantly and hold them off from siege my tower. But if your JG and your Mid and Bot lost their lane and Top just going even what can you do? Your JG is gone and your entire team is fighting over 6 minions for the gold.

Z3SleeperJan 22, 20181 votes

It’s more of a team effort thing. If you’re behind the only thing you can really do is group up, ignore splits, and play entirely for a cheesy pick or ace to turn the tides.

This is the reason I win half my games as Yorick. Teams that are behind use this tactic to get back in the game and meanwhile I take their nexus.

morris1Jan 22, 20186 votes

For a sec I thought this was implying ADC Urgot.

Bottom LanerJan 22, 20181 votes

I've played with support Urgots

Ben SharpioJan 22, 20184 votes

What is this about?

Z3SleeperJan 22, 201829 votes

When your ADC wins, you win.

When your ADC loses, you lose.

Regardless of your score or contribution.

Not quite exactly true but that's what happened in all 4 of those games. Bot lane just has too much say in how the game goes atm.

SkorchJan 22, 20182 votes

Honestly in my experience its "Bad players lose game. Good players win game" Bot is important, yes, but going behind isnt insta-lose IF they know what they are doing.

Example: Few games ago I was forced on ADC (One of those "My role im FP" types) So... I fed pretty hard, didnt help that my support just kinda left me. (Mid roamed down and helped me fight more than my support) And I was pretty negative. BUT Despite being behind everyone else was ahead, and despite that I was still 1v2ing (As Vayne nonetheless true suffering) and sometimes 1v3ing. I just said in chat "alright guys, they have 2 options, you are all winning so just keep winning, they will either go to stop you and I'll get farm and get back into the game, OR they will keep 1v2ing 1v3ing me and lose inhibs."

We won that game (Then my support said to report me smh.)

I know it is just 1 example. But losing lane =/= losing game.

Festive BearJan 22, 20181 votes

{quoted}

When your ADC wins, you win.

When your ADC loses, you lose.

Regardless of your score or contribution.

Not quite exactly true but that's what happened in all 4 of those games. Bot lane just has too much say in how the game goes atm.

I've recently started playing characters that can sorta carry themselves, Darius more specifically. In a team fight, he can easily take down the carries whilst sustaining a decent bit of the damage. And since they're squishy, he can get his passive+ult pretty quickly

Z3SleeperJan 22, 20182 votes

Oh yeah dude people say he’s in a bad spot but they’re dead wrong. Darius is my most feared matchup.

Johnaldinho1017Jan 22, 20185 votes

Darius isn't in a bad spot as much as he just struggles with some of the overturned champs at the moment. He can't deal with vayne what so ever. Ez is another hard adc for him because he can't really catch him since ezreals e unless Darius has flash. He's not weak he just struggles vs the top 2 adcs in the meta

ChuShoeJan 22, 20181 votes

oh dear no, the last thing I want is a black cleaver meme or death's dance meme (inevitably, death's dance would be memed as death's d(c)ance(r)

Z3SleeperJan 23, 20181 votes

One thing i found and copied from some great Darius players I’ve faced in ranked so far is that Raptor Cloak is a godlike item on Darius and a few other Juggernauts right now. And every Darius I’ve seen goes BC -> Raptor/ZZRot -> full tank.

If you really need the speedy, you can get RG, Talisman or Deadmans too. (Prolly deadmans)

Seriously though, Raptor Cloak is a godlike item for Juggernauts, especially when dealing with GP, Ezreal, Vayne, Trist, Jayce, etc.

MordepoolJan 22, 20185 votes

{quoted}

When your ADC wins, you win.

When your ADC loses, you lose.

Regardless of your score or contribution.

Toplane 2k18

RyrynounetJan 22, 20184 votes

we must do a bruiser in 2k18 lul like we've done for adc in 2k17, maybe it will work :v

JackMcSnipeyzJan 22, 20183 votes

I've lost games or had games be a constant up hill battle when toplane fed his ass too and i had a 5-1 riven on my ass, or vlad running at me sucking me dry, or yasuo blocking all my damage while dashing through my entire team.

The sooner you realise everyone has their own way to impact the game and not everyone has to have the highest kills to carry. My 2nd lane is top and i have no problem impacting the game.

Z3SleeperJan 22, 20184 votes

My primary lane is top. Currently Diamond 4. I'm aware I have impact. And I'm definitely impactful in most games. But my wins and losses are largely due to the performance of bot lane.

Which is why whenever I see an opportunity to snowball bot lane with a TP gank, I go help those guys win lane.

Also I wonder why people are saying Riven is weak. She's one of the scariest people to go against imo. Personally I fear Darius the most, but that's just me.

greekvandaLJan 22, 20181 votes

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My primary lane is top. Currently Diamond 4. I'm aware I have impact. And I'm definitely impactful in most games. But my wins and losses are largely due to the performance of bot lane.

Which is why whenever I see an opportunity to snowball bot lane with a TP gank, I go help those guys win lane.

Also I wonder why people are saying Riven is weak. She's one of the scariest people to go against imo. Personally I fear Darius the most, but that's just me.

You fear Darius? A lulu is more dangerous than a Darius and this comes from a guy who used to have tons of success before tilt and toxicity got over me.

Z3SleeperJan 22, 20181 votes

Yorick/Urgot lose to Darius at all stages of the game. And uh... i only play Yorick/Urgot >_<

The bright side is that Urgot has way bigger teamfight presence and Yorick conditionally does as well (depending on ally positioning and ally/enemy champions for how effective a W can be mid-fight) but also has massive splitpush potential Darius doesn’t.

greekvandaLJan 23, 20181 votes

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Yorick/Urgot lose to Darius at all stages of the game. And uh... i only play Yorick/Urgot >_<

The bright side is that Urgot has way bigger teamfight presence and Yorick conditionally does as well (depending on ally positioning and ally/enemy champions for how effective a W can be mid-fight) but also has massive splitpush potential Darius doesn’t.

Yorick loses to darius? WTF am i reading you litterally can't do ANYTHING to yorick once you both buy and are 6.I played vs many Yorick onetricks in diamond back in the day and i couldnt do ANYTHING other than wait till i get a 3 items and try to hit as many Q's otherwhise i'd get anhilated.

Yorick Bullies Darius in lane but gets outscaled by him after 3 items.

Z3SleeperJan 24, 20181 votes

I wish it were like that. Your only form of safe bullying is farming up 4 ghouls and then pressing E. That's it. If you press Q on him you're gonna get W'd. If you use wall you're gonna get pulled in.

No matter what you do you are going to lose every trade you go into melee range for. Maiden allows you to beat people in longer sustained fights. Darius thrives in longer sustained fights. Literally decimates Yorick.

I think when you play Darius you need to stop thinking of Q as a harass spell and rather as a combo ender. That's what pretty much every Darius does to me. W/E-> AA -> W/E -> AA -> Q. Nothing Yorick can do in melee range has any counterplay value here.

greekvandaLJan 24, 20181 votes

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I wish it were like that. Your only form of safe bullying is farming up 4 ghouls and then pressing E. That's it. If you press Q on him you're gonna get W'd. If you use wall you're gonna get pulled in.

No matter what you do you are going to lose every trade you go into melee range for. Maiden allows you to beat people in longer sustained fights. Darius thrives in longer sustained fights. Literally decimates Yorick.

I think when you play Darius you need to stop thinking of Q as a harass spell and rather as a combo ender. That's what pretty much every Darius does to me. W/E-> AA -> W/E -> AA -> Q. Nothing Yorick can do in melee range has any counterplay value here.

dunno matey.Id rather lane Quinn as Darius over Yorick

Brain Errör 404Jan 22, 20181 votes

As an Urgot player, you find Riven.... scary?

Z3SleeperJan 22, 20182 votes

Oh sorry, i was just on an Urgot streak.

I’m actually a Yorick main. Post-6 you kinda just run if you see her if your ult isn’t up and if it is up you still run if you don’t have wards.

However, if you somehow manage to get that early lead OHOHOHO. Riven now runs from you.

Brain Errör 404Jan 22, 20181 votes

Oh. Honestly, even as Yorick. You get ninja tabis rush and that's the end of her. Riven rarely wins lane vs anyone at the moment. It's all about shoving and roaming now. You impact the map through different means. If she somehow manages to kill you in lane, you'll have a rough time till lvl 6/ninja tabis, but since most people opt into Lethality right now (as playing her any other style really negates her damage), you should be able to kill her at any point after 6 (assuming you're even).

Tabis/bramble into your triforce should suffice for you. She should tickle after that. Though, once she starts scaling (after around level 14ish), I could see why you'd be struggling.

Z3SleeperJan 23, 20181 votes

The real issue is that you have no agency over killing Riven as Yorick. You just can’t catch her. The only times i can kill her is when she all ins since then i can lock her in with W. And even then smart rivens will delay Q3 as long as possible to reduce the Q downtime after Q3 before using it to trade. So if she never all ins and just keeps doing small trades I can’t necessarily match those trades (if she uses E properly) so long as she saves Q3 for the escape. And i have to take some trades once in awhile in order to farm and coax her into accidentally pushing while harassing me so I can then farm safely near turret.

Post-6 it’s the same issue. Maiden is worthless if I can’t trap her in range of it. Also, if I don’t have maiden i cannot feasibly contest a Riven whose ult is up 24/7.

I make it sound horrible but laning honestly isn’t too hard. It’s easy to buffer Q her through her Q3 for winning trades if she doesn’t shield and also if she does shield you buffer E on her then chase for a Q before backing off.

It’s the post-6 time that’s the problem. When you hope the jg doesn’t come and towerdive with riven ult and both have stopwatches. Literally no counterplaying that.

Ahri BakaJan 22, 20182 votes

Not really , other lanes are needed too , I've had a match , I was autofilled adc , lost the lane , fed the enemy Draven , he was 12/1 but we still won the match because Top and Mid carried

Lios AshenbladeJan 22, 20181 votes

I think OP is just saying that it is currently unbalanced, in that bot lane has too much weight on that victory scale

AuroramancerJan 22, 20181 votes

If you have a 14m 48s victory, you didn't force an early surrender, your team just shoved the enemy's shit in on all fronts. Can't really attribute that win to ONLY bot lane winning.

Z3SleeperJan 22, 20183 votes

The real question here is, would that have happened or would the victory have even been possible if there was a fed vayne/kog/trist on the other team and an underfarmed adc on ours?