In a Meta where there are 800 armor Sejuani's running around, healing Keystone's, Death's Dance and over-tuned lifesteal, and an unnameable amount of regenerating / healing champions... you simply cannot forget to grab these things. I can't even fathom why people aren't building them, but it's terrible. There's just absolutely no excuse for it.
gabetheguy32 votesb-b-but grievous wounds doesn't give more damage. like wards :(
Meep Man8 votesThey actually do, because healing prevented is essentially pseudo-damage dealt. It's like dealing 40% of the healing they would receive as true damage to them.
gabetheguy17 votesThey actually do, because healing prevented is essentially pseudo-damage dealt. It's like dealing 40% of the healing they would receive as true damage to them.
I'm doing a bronzer imitation
Rainfall22 votes90% of midlane champions rush this as a first item 
Cryo002 votesThis only gives grevieous wounds when they are below 35% health, so its still better that ADC's and AD assassins get 
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It Hertz When IP8 votesDon't forget tanks getting 
Tails90161 votesBut then, as you can see our Vlad main above in this comment chain, the vest isn't always an option. Vlad being a spell based healer. Of course he is alone in this category if i remember correctly Cass has to stay with you a while as she spams e
Pierce The Veal3 votesBut then, as you can see our Vlad main above in this comment chain, the vest isn't always an option. Vlad being a spell based healer. Of course he is alone in this category if i remember correctly
Cass has to stay with you a while as she spams e
Vlad weaves in autos for damage in lane. :/
CasterGilgamesh2 votescass healing is pathetic unless she is fed off her mind and even then if she is fed you die before she needs the sustain.
LordGeovanni1 votes
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maliohammad5 votesit is not that effective , as a vlad main , it doesn't hurt me that much , since it is limited . but mortal reminder is a nightmare
Pierce The Veal2 votesit is not that effective , as a vlad main , it doesn't hurt me that much , since it is limited . but mortal reminder is a nightmare
And then that one guy who gets executioner's calling first item in lane.
Makes me wnat to kill myself.
MagikarpIsBoss1 votesThe thing is you have to get them below 35% hp to begin with. Its pretty much impossible to do that with how much they heal anyway.
Pierce The Veal2 votesThe thing is you have to get them below 35% hp to begin with. Its pretty much impossible to do that with how much they heal anyway.
Yeah if it's a draven with death's dance. But then a filthy melee builds lifesteal and he's laughed away like nothing.
Voluug131 votesThe GW is kind of a bonus, the real reason why Blizz has done that is because they fucked up at the MYMU when they deleted chalice from midlane while increasing mana costs and nerfing other mana and AP items like RoA and Rylai.
AP midlaners are being shoehorned into it, not the reverse.
Jinzo Torrance16 votesLast item on Mobafire guides
Sinlaire7 voteswhich is why almost nobody should read those. I used them when i was new and leaning what champions had what abilites, ability scaling, and best item synergies, but now i know the names, numbers, and items enough that most of those guides from anything under diamond are just garbage and detrimental to gameplay.
ModKnightsKemplar10 votesI'm always a bit confused by the "there's no excuse for this" comment when it comes to gameplay related issues...
I mean, there's no excuse for it when you're playing with people who are truly good at the game. But that's a potentially VERY small group of players, depending on where you draw the line. Especially on items that are situational, such as executioner's calling, knowing when and why to build those items does have a substantial skill curve. It's only natural that lower tier players would be less sure of when to buy these items.
I would go so far as to say that there's actually a very good excuse for it, and in fact, it's quite expected a lower ranks.
CasterGilgamesh5 votesthat 800 armor sej comes because there is lethality since it devalues the real worth of the armor just by its existence needing to be taken into account .Same thing with grievous wounds and healing champions like 
.these champions need to have even more healing then normal since people will just buy grievous wounds and nullify their kits which is cancerous and toxic to the game no items should completely invalidate half a champions kit like its nothing.
Vs 
doesn't count since he is not all about his ult and can still kill you without it
Sraeg20133 votesAs if I had a choice.
~ Your faithful mage main.
Arsenic Sulfur1 votesYou have Morellos. Sure you need to knock em down to 35%, but considering most mages not only rush this but are also quite bursty this shouldn't be too much of a problem.
CasterGilgamesh2 votesno one buys Morellos for the grievous wounds...also you never notice it anyway since no mage will ever burst vald or swain down to where you see it unless they could already out right kill them in the first place in which the grievous wounds was overkill.
Sraeg20131 votesYou missed the point.
Unless I'm like Kennen or something I can't NOT build Morello.
the weeaboo3 votesI'm in bronze. Not that I'm much better but when I don't see 
or even 
on our ADC when they have 
and 
I get kinda mad
AD champs only1 votesI'm in bronze. Not that I'm much better but when I don't see
B..but.. Guardian angel is more useful :(( You can't die
the weeaboo1 votesYou can't die once
This is Bronze, everyone is dying once a minute.
AD champs only1 votesYou can't die once
This is Bronze, everyone is dying once a minute.
xdddd its rank shaming, against boards rules :::D:D:D:D:
the weeaboo1 votesI am bronze 2, I can shit on myself
AD champs only1 votesI am bronze 2, I can shit on myself
oooh. go on then
Oriyoki2 votes800 armour sejuani? That's just bs.
ninjaroxas1 votesive had 1000 armor on her
SanKakU2 votesIt's only temporary. It's like synergy with Courage of the Colossus and little more. You can make huge Iceborn Gauntlet freezing fields with it, but it's not like the duration of the field scales with anything. :/
Sinlaire7 votessejuani's passive double her armor and magic resist every time it comes up with a little added base for the sugar on top. and by added base i mean 20/60/100 free armor and mr based on level while it's up.
There are videos and images of people breaking 1k on her just for fun. so i hate to be that guy, but maybe a little research and game knowledge before you speak bro.
Voluug132 votesIts not like it matter because she is the only case where her armor can reach such levels, and its only very briefly during combat.
Also armor enters on diminishing returns by 400 armor. At 250-300 you already have 70% physical damage reduction.
Sinlaire1 votestrue, but Sejuani's passive manages two things. It gives her near soft cap levels of damage reduction in spite of armor and MR penetration items, and it makes her an anti- burst tank for upwards of 3 seconds.
even if you have a for 35% bonus armor pen, on a 800 armor Sej you're only taking away 340 armor by my math. Which while normally is a god like amount, Sej is still left with 460. a full lethality build with a dominiks would only drop her to 400 and a BLack Cleaver with dominiks would still have her at about 250 with mental math and estimation.
Meaning Sejuani can initiate on an enemy team and, in spite of every ounce of armor reduction they may have, can still generate upwards for 70%+ damage reduction for upwards of 3 seconds for the fight. WHILE also bearing similar results for magic damage reduction.
This is also important because for the first 3 seconds of a team fight, this is when the enemy has nearly all of their skills and their CC off cooldown. Meaning for 3 seconds you get near god like levels of damage reduction regardless of enemy itemization WHILE they are at their most lethal. At which point your passive drops, you resistances fall to normal levels, but your enemies have already blown many of their biggest hitting abilities.
3 seconds of situational damage reduction isn't a lot, but it makes Sej an exceptional Anti-Burst tank by making her near unkillable for the first 3 seconds in which most people get their dying done.
Oriyoki1 votesYeah, I don't know much about Sejuani rework, other than that it's useless oh i'm a fat ass tank now bs fiesta. But still, she has if for few seconds. It isn't like there's Sejuani with 800 armour at all times running around.
DragonShea1 votes800 armour sejuani? That's just bs.
that is just like saying full armor W rammus having 650 armor is bs.
Vallalan2 votesin every game the team has two tanks you should go your crit items first right into your armor pen item 3rd because if you don't you aren't ever going to kill their front line and it doesnt matter how much damage you to do to squishies.
this applies to ALL metas.
even if the enemy front line aren't true tanks, but bruisers who have an armor item or two, still build it. like lee sin jax building mostly tank items after their primary damage item? LDR.
grievous wounds is also hideously underrated by lower elo players. if you are against maokai and you say "wow holy shit he is healing for so much" fucking buy your executioners. it doesn't matter how much damage you deal to him if hes gonna heal so much that he lasts a few more seconds.
generally speaking here's how it works
1.) tanks who have a heal (gragas/maokai, etc.) or swain/vlad/darius/mundo (or a soraka) types = Mortal Reminder
2.) standard tanks and bruisers who don't rely on healing and no other major healing on the enemy team = Lord Dominik's Regards.
Every game you will have to get one of these, and if you already got your crit get it 3rd. waiting till 4th or 5th item doesn't really give you nearly as much value. i mean you can build another zeal or crit item, but you still don't do that much damage to the only people you can hit. you can go bork or another lifesteal item but you won't get much value out of it since the passive is physical damage which is reduce by armor. you can build a defensive item, but it doesnt matter how long you live if you can't kill the front line.
whoever kills the enemy front line first usually wins the fight because then your team can fuck up their back line. so build to kill the front line as an adc. (unless are the broken piece of shit that is twitch and can flank the back line. )
Almighty2 votesAs a main with over 370 000 Mastery points...
Yeah, they're kind of important.
I like and to actually be killable.
Almighty.
Krinu1 votesAs a Soraka main with 422,451 mastery points... I concur.
HateDaddy1 votesDepends on the circumstances
If a tank or healer is fed, there's likely very little you can do. In the case of a tank, % pen does you no good if you don't have items to back that up. In the case of healers, especially damaged based healers like Vlad and Swain, their healing isn't the problem when they're fed: them 100-0ing you is the problem. In these cases with Vlad or Swain, I actually think you're better off trying to get your damage items asap and playing around the idea of bursting them because you have no hope of living through a second or third round of their spell rotations if you've managed to cut their healing anyway when they're that fed. As for tanks, yeah you can't do much until you have core damage items first because first, second and in most cases even 3rd item Last Whisper is bad.
However, on even grounds and under the right circumstances, it is absolutely inexcusable. It's like ADCs that build lethality when behind vs tanks. Or when people build last whisper and the enemy team is all squishies. Bad is just bad my dude
Pierce The Veal1 votesI honestly think that grievous wounds hurts melees too much and adcs too little.
SettDownShutUp1 voteshttps://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/2593004170
If you feel like taking a trip down memory lane, worth the read.
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In a Meta where there are 800 armor Sejuani's running around, healing Keystone's, Death's Dance and over-tuned lifesteal, and an unnameable amount of regenerating / healing champions... you simply cannot forget to grab these things. I can't even fathom why people aren't building them, but it's terrible. There's just absolutely no excuse for it.
i agree, but when champions like 
abuse it in such a way with his kit, there's a grave, grave problem
Thilmer1 votesThis thing 
is one of the most effective things in the damn game rigth now, and people don't want to buy it because "it gives Little AD". Seriously, man?
Rocnation981 votes 
effective for any champion
deadlychuck1 votesIt's almost like a single item exists which accomplishes both
Frap Achiino1 votesyeah this item sucks:
ADCs stop getting this crap item, when everyone has healing or lifesteal.....it's maddening when I see this item with a mao, akali, shyv with botrk and adc with bloodthirster on the opposite team.
