If You Are A Bronze, Silver, or Gold Jungle Player...

Best Ekko NA··109 votes·9,612 views

If you have a winning lane but your other two lanes are even or losing.... CAMP THAT WINNING LANE SON. CAMP CAMP CAMP CAMP CAMP. CAMP CAMP CAMP CAMP AMP AMP MP MP MPMPMMPMPMPMPMPCAMPCAMPCAMCP

Stop caring about your other lanes dude. That lane is your golden fucking ticket to winning your game, and it's right in front of you!

NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER think that since they are winning that they can handle their own lane by themselves. The instant you think that THE ENEMY JUNGLER IS GOING TO CAMP THE LIVING DAYLIGHT OUT OF THEM. They are going to struggle, your other lanes are already struggling, and BOOM TOXIC SHIT STORM and your game is done.

When you go to the winning lane, the enemy jungler IS STILL GOING TO COME. That mid laner is going to come. EVERYONE'S COMING FOR YOUR WINNING LANE.

DID I HEAR FREE TOWERS? DAMN THOSE FREE TOWERS AROUND THE MAP WOW. WOW. WOW. WOW!!!!!

FREE TOWERS!

If you're lucky you and your fed laners are still going to kill the enemy because GUESS WHAT?

HE'S FED!

WOW.

By the way, GUESS WHAT?

NOW YOU ARE FED TOO! DAMN. IMAGINE THAT.

You know all that time your team has been pushing???!!! They've been farming, they aren't dying anymore... THEY HAVE ITEMS HOOOOOOOOOOOOO. ITEMS?! DAMN THEY ARE SO STRONG NOW. You know what happened to the enemy? THEY WASTED ALL THAT TIME! They didn't farm, they chased you.. you might have even killed them.. NOW THEY ARE WEAK, THEY ARE USELESS.

WOW THIS GAME IS SO EASY GUYS. EZ GG. ENEMY TEAM ARE NOOBS. NICE JOB TEAM.

And that is how you jungle the right way. End of rant.

152 Comments

The Poetic Zed66 votes

If you read this like it's an excited motivational speech instead of a rant it's so much better [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Supreme Senpai6911 votes

I honestly did think this was a motivation speech until I saw "end of rant"

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

Read it in Kled's voice.

Just Blame Jenny28 votes

So when I get to plat, should I stop doing this?

japan hate acc2 votes

No, all good junglers at all elos should do this. OP is I guess just assuming that plat and above already know this.

Lord Galvatron15 votes

Yes, and then you should flame your team every time they don't pink ward their brush. You should also never give your team red or blue buff because you are Plat and they are not.

Xonra2 votes

Oh, well that explains a lot.

2Charmnot2Charm3 votes

{quoted}

So when I get to plat, should I stop doing this?

If you don't want to take advantage of taking free towers and making that winning lane stronger and rather help out your losing lane but fail cause the enemy laner is far ahead and got counter ganked sure.

MonkeyMadness20 votes

As a plat jungler, this is 100% correct. And also 100% guaranteed to get one of those lanes you're ignoring to start flaming you and announcing that you've lost their lane, etc. Pretty sure soloQ junglers should get special end of season rewards for dealing with this bullshit...

sdsdfdf3 votes

no they shouldn't. 1/2 times people yell at their jungler, they do it with a reason, most likely he is getting outjungled and the enemy jungler is doing a lot more

EDIT: 1/2 TIMES, half of the times they are just idiots yeah but half of the time the jungler is really doing bad

Apollocliptic4 votes

agreed! While camping a winning lane has merits, ignoring other lanes can be drastic:

You already know why it is a good idea, but here's some reasons why it isn't:

Some lanes are bad match ups:

  1. If someone was unlucky enough to be counter picked, then they might not be bad, just have a hard time early, giving them some love and applying pressure (pressure doesn't always mean ganks) helps them to scale into the mid game, instead of the enemy jungler following the same tactic you're thinking, and tower diving that lane for free kills while they're behind or struggling.

  2. Actively ignoring lanes (I know this might not be what you or OP meant, but it happens), changes the game flow. If I KNOW the enemy jungler is never coming mid/top as opposed to Isn't, I can play completely differently, while they don't have the option to counter. Map pressure matters, so as long as you don't actively ignore a lane, focusing a winning lane is fine

  3. bad calls. An Anivia with low hp who is hard pushing lost her passive and has no flash and no wards, is a better option than tower diving bot because that lane is winning. A FREE KILL is not worth passing up, for to dive a winning lane, they are already winning, you waiting and doing nothing means you are falling behind, and you diving means you risk helping the enemy overtake If Said Anivia is hyper fed and can kill you with Q-E then sure, don't go, but if she has one kill advantage and maybe blue buff cause you failed a gank and gave it to her, you should probably help rather than assume it is a lost cause (behind and lost cause ARE NOT THE SAME)

  4. Match ups: Sometimes certain champs scale so well, or are already ahead, if top lane has a Garen who is fed, but mid lane is winning, you probably have better chance ganking bot, feeding your vayne enough to counter Garen later when the team fights start, rather than helping Lux get fed who Garen is gonna shrug off and still kill anyway.

Junglers are the games shot callers, and their judgement is the most important, having a single minded playstyle will lose you games, because more than any role, you need to be adaptable to the situation. It's not wrong to force a winning lane, but it is to ignore every other aspect of being a jungler and think you stand a chance.

One final note, sometimes a lane loses, someone has to, doesn't mean they are bad or won't make up for it later. behind is not same as feeder or bad

chipndip14 votes

This is like the exact OPPOSITE of what you should do unless the losing lanes are losing by large margins...

Thrëat2 votes

lol surprisingly there is some truth to this. Yes, if you have a winning lane you need to be mindful of it. I wouldn't say overly camp it because now you are making that person share exp/gold with you, but definitely make sure they stay warded and you have enough vision of the enemy jungler so that if they are going to that lane you can counter gank. Counter ganking for a winning lane is free kills.

The real trick is to ignore the losing lanes. In higher elo when people lose lanes they know to go passive and get carried by the other lanes. In lower elo people have no faith in their team mates and will continue to try to fight their lane opponent even if they are down by 2 levels and a significant amount of gold. Ganking for those lanes is suicide unless you have vision of the enemy jungler and know they can't counter gank and you have enough power to pretty much 1v1 the fed enemy.

It is hard to ignore losing lanes because they are often vocal about the fact that they are getting stomped and if you don't gank for them they use you as a scapegoat. The trick here is to utilize the mute feature.

WoonStruck2 votes

If they're losing, you should at least show a little presense if it starts to push to your laner's tower. It allows them to at least farm a little. Don't force a gank. You don't even have to go after them. Just peek in to dissuade aggression when the lane's pushed.

That said, it can be really inefficient at times if its top lane. Weigh what you're giving up (farm, objectives, vision, ganks, etc) when you consider doing this.

Aptest5 votes

Here is my perspective:

I play support. And sometimes ADC. sometimes I win lane. Heavily. The one thing I do not want to see, is the enemy (fed) jungler and the enemy (fed) mid lane and the enemy (fed) top lane coming all to my lane and having a fiesta.

So, you, dear jungler, your job is NOT to come to my lane and bring the party to me. your job is to ISOLATE MY WIN from the losses elsewhere.

by warding the map, by sitting on the enemy mid's face, and by ganking top.

I need peace and quite to consolidate my win. Time alone with my losing opponents where I can become more and more fed, and then i will come and gank mid myself no problem. and I don't need your help in that.

and i definitely DO NOT WANT CONSTANT PARTY TIME AND EXTRA TAX TIME ON MY LANE.

Yooba2 votes

Wow this thread got upvoted lmfao no wonder NA is trash

it be lìke that8 votes

gold v to diamond v?

now..im not saying boosted but. no wait. i am.

BOOOOOOOOOOOSTED.

Yooba2 votes

I solo your elo you fkn trash. From gold 4 to Diamond V with 92 wins get on my level scrub.

it be lìke that11 votes

what package did you buy?

the im 12 years old and have birthday money special?

Yooba1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5Ha38GkE,comment-id=000e000000000001,timestamp=2016-10-12T14:56:28.229+0000)

what package did you buy?

the im 12 years old and have birthday money special?

"12 years old" says the virgin kid who called himself BISH IM SAUCIN... Check my KDA on every single champion (except illaoi) you stupid scrub. I literally solo your elo. Diamond with 63% win ratio feels good man.

it be lìke that9 votes

But it's a song? you swapped out 1 letter from a champions name.

do it then. queue a game with me, ill afk and just watch you. I'll even make an euw account if you dont have an NA. normal game that is :)

**edit at 2 hours later. no reply, he has yet to show me his throbbing manhood.

according to your lolking.net you went on a pretty massive winstreak with renekton then suddenly stopped playing him, i wonder why? surely you would stick with the champion you were dominating on right?

https://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/kermitthefrog.jpg?quality=60&strip=all&w=560&h=320&crop=1

Yooba1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5Ha38GkE,comment-id=000e00000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-12T15:30:29.969+0000)

But it's a song? you swapped out 1 letter from a champions name.

do it then. queue a game with me, ill afk and just watch you. I'll even make an euw account if you dont have an NA. normal game that is :)

**edit at 2 hours later. no reply, he has yet to show me his throbbing manhood.

according to your lolking.net you went on a pretty massive winstreak with renekton then suddenly stopped playing him, i wonder why? surely you would stick with the champion you were dominating on right?

https://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/kermitthefrog.jpg?quality=60&strip=all&w=560&h=320&crop=1

I was plat 4 and faced a guy called Renekton is God. He inspired me after he stomped us all and carried the game. From plat 4 to diamond V I mostly played Renekton yes. My goal was to get Diamond why would I continue playing anyway the season ends soon. Why am I talking to a silver 3 player that has negative win ratio anyway LMFAO. Silver in 2016 LUL

it be lìke that3 votes

first season playing, i have no shame as i play mainly support jungles. you however, may be quite the most boosted person ever.

you wanna "1v5 carry in my elo" in a normals game rq?

however you played plenty of ranked after your renekton games, they just werent that great of performances with 1 game as yasou being the outlier. :)

btw im silver 2 handsome :) hit the "update" button

*edit just looked and im not sure where you went to school but...a 52% winrate most certainly is not negative :)

Yooba1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5Ha38GkE,comment-id=000e0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-12T21:58:19.255+0000)

first season playing, i have no shame as i play mainly support jungles. you however, may be quite the most boosted person ever.

you wanna "1v5 carry in my elo" in a normals game rq?

however you played plenty of ranked after your renekton games, they just werent that great of performances with 1 game as yasou being the outlier. :)

btw im silver 2 handsome :) hit the "update" button

*edit just looked and im not sure where you went to school but...a 52% winrate most certainly is not negative :)

Didn't play any RANKED game after i got promoted to diamond, which was with Renekton. Anyway what do you want dude lmao want me to 1v2 you and another silver friend? add me up on EUW

it be lìke that2 votes

no i want to see you 1v5 carry a game.

Leon Etoile2 votes

If you want to help a fed laner; help them with vision.

If I'm fed, I don't need you piggy backing of my xp and gold.

SH Azykan4 votes

dont be that greedy, yes vision helps, but transition your leads to someone semi-competent on your team as well, a fed jax and syndra will be able to deal with a lot more than just a fed syndra.

Leon Etoile3 votes

If your jg was semi-competent they would get the other lanes ahead. Neither person benefits from repeatedly farming the same laner over and over again. They lose gold value with every kill.

It Hertz When IP3 votes

If your fed laner was semi-competent, the kill might not net much gold but the jungler pitching in means a tower should be falling very shortly after the gank (or a dragon). Meanwhile if the jungler ganks a losing lane, best case scenario is a kill and everyone subsequently having to back to heal after a close fight.

Objectives OP.

chipndip12 votes

Meanwhile you're doing all this for one turret in a winning lane while the enemy has their grubby hands all over 2 of yours. "Objectives OP"? Then why are you leaving two of them to be violated?

Leon Etoile2 votes

I don't why someone downvoted you. I'm assuming it's the incredibly low elo player being butt hurt.

JRobin311 votes

Actually, farming the same laner over and over again is an effective strategy because the gold is free. I've seen intentional mid lane feeds in low (Bronze) rank and high (Diamond) rank. The low ranked players reacted by staying in their respective lanes and playing it out. The high ELO players all ignored their lanes and grouped mid immediately to farm the enemy together.

Leon Etoile1 votes

Are you sure that wasn't an open mid?

No elo isn't going to let you push 5 man mid constantly.

JRobin311 votes

I don't think it matters if open mid was declared because Bronze still won't group on an open mid declaration.

The point isn't about grouping in a particular lane (which is generally a mid or late game strategy), it's about snowballing in the early game. Choosing to show up in a losing lane especially in low ranked games is a strategy to stop the bleeding instead of to snowball your team to victory. There are situational exceptions where ganking losing lanes is the best choice, but generally speaking you want to snowball and therefore you want to put priority on ganking the winning lane so that you (as the jungler) can translate that advantage to everyone on your team. If you gank the losing lane first, then generally speaking in low ranked games, the winning lane advantage won't move to the rest of your team until later and your chances of making an advantage in a losing lane is lower.

If your winning lane roams, then you can gank with the winning laner on any lane you want because his presence will make that lane a winning lane now. If your losing lane roams, it doesn't make the lanes they roam to winnable. Losing players are weak links you don't want the enemy to exploit - not places where you have good odds of making an advantage that will win the game.

Leon Etoile1 votes

Dude you are saying you have seen high level play when you aren't playing high level.

You were an observer; with a limited view of what is going on. Nor the capability to understand the situation considering your own lack of knowledge.

Please give me a rundown of what happened for all players in leading up to that decision. 90 secs prior would be good.

JRobin311 votes

Ok... I watch high level games sometimes and I don't always understand what they are doing. This is true. But this is a very specific kind of thing. From the start of the Diamond game, there was a Rammus mid lane who would leave base and run straight down mid lane in ball form and die to the enemy mid laner. He did this maybe 5 times and the opposing team went to mid lane and farmed him continuously 5v1 until like the 10 minute mark roughly and at that point the game was over despite the efforts of Rammus' team to farm other lanes or get advantages elsewhere. There was nothing that could be done to stop the snowball. Everyone was fed off of Rammus who managed to feed 20+ deaths before the game ended.

In the Bronze match, there was a Draven mid lane who ran straight down mid lane to die continuously from start of game. He sometimes executed because the enemy team did not show up to farm him all the time. Believe it or not, the team with the feeding Draven won despite having fed 34 deaths before the game ended.

I may not be an expert on the intricacies of high level play, but these are straight forward examples of a difference in low ranked vs high ranked play. The low ranked players could all see the Draven was feeding, but were incompetent to exploit it. The high ranked players all got fed and became too strong to be beaten.

The outcome of the games isn't that surprising. It is the stark contrast in behavior that was absolutely mind-blowing, and there isn't anything intricate about it. The Diamond level players grouped and farmed 5v1. The Bronze players didn't change their behavior in any significant way.

In a way, this reinforces the idea that Bronze players are like sheep that bleat and then go to the slaughter and the Diamond players are like sharks that smell blood in the water and go to feed.

Now, I am a low rank player, so you can go ahead and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, but I also happen to have about a 55.6% win rate +- about 2.86% standard deviation in the jungle role. This means that I consistently win most of the games I play in the jungle role by a statistically significant margin. I have about 11 champions in my jungle pool. I also happen to be the player that carried (according to my teammates post game) the Draven 0/34/0 feeder. (Hint: I didn't try to gank Draven's lane).

So when I say that as a general guideline, "hey, maybe you should go farm the weak link on the enemy team instead of trying to salvage a losing lane and maybe dying", I am not entirely unqualified to make that remark as sound advice to low ranked junglers. Are there exceptions? Of course there are, but they are exceptions and not a generally sound rule of thumb.

Leon Etoile1 votes

It's not about being low elo; i'm asking for analysis on those moves to when they were good.

Hell, Montecristo has been a max silver player.

We aren't talking about your play; but your game knowledge.

JRobin311 votes

When and where to gank is a very deep and complex question - even though I say junglers should gank the winning lanes.

Consider this video where a 33-0 Riven carries a game in Bronze while explaining how he is doing it. He explains some of the mistakes the enemy team makes. In particular, the enemy jungler comes to gank him after he wins lane - which is a mistake that just gets him more fed. He explains how the enemy jungler being in his lane frees his team to play 4 vs 3 on the rest of the map and turn all the lanes into winning lanes. He also explains how his lead snowballs into more and more kills - the enemy team doesn't respect his lead. They start to lose just by placing themselves into a position to be engaged on by the Riven.

We can ask the question: what if the enemy jungler hadn't tried to help a losing lane? The game would've been harder for the Riven to win. The enemy jungler might've gotten more farm in the jungle to fight with, he might have gotten one of his other lanes ahead so that his team would have players able to fight the Riven (maybe). Trying to kill the strong enemy laner was a high risk play. Every now and then a high risk play will pay off but, generally speaking, it won't.

Leon Etoile1 votes

I'm not talking about them; I'm talking about you

JRobin311 votes

?

Leon Etoile1 votes

Waiting on your analysis that you claim to have.

You link a video that to support your claims; yet you still can't do it.

Don't talk about decision making when you aren't doing any.

Leon Etoile1 votes

Listing a reaction isn't analysis. You are just spectating. You are basically just telling us someone scored a goal.

90 secs of breaking down everything that is going on to lead to the decision would be what I'm looking for.

You don't give analysis b/c you don't understand. It's okay but pretending you can just causes misinformation and needs to stop.

jaymc11301 votes

{quoted}

When and where to gank is a very deep and complex question - even though I say junglers should gank the winning lanes.

Consider this video where a 33-0 Riven carries a game in Bronze while explaining how he is doing it. He explains some of the mistakes the enemy team makes. In particular, the enemy jungler comes to gank him after he wins lane - which is a mistake that just gets him more fed. He explains how the enemy jungler being in his lane frees his team to play 4 vs 3 on the rest of the map and turn all the lanes into winning lanes. He also explains how his lead snowballs into more and more kills - the enemy team doesn't respect his lead. They start to lose just by placing themselves into a position to be engaged on by the Riven.

We can ask the question: what if the enemy jungler hadn't tried to help a losing lane? The game would've been harder for the Riven to win. The enemy jungler might've gotten more farm in the jungle to fight with, he might have gotten one of his other lanes ahead so that his team would have players able to fight the Riven (maybe). Trying to kill the strong enemy laner was a high risk play. Every now and then a high risk play will pay off but, generally speaking, it won't.

Consider this mate, the jungler for the Riven in this video never bothers to GANK the winning Riven lane. Does he? No, he goes to the weaker lanes to assist them...

Hmmmm....

Pretty sure this video does the opposite of what you intended when you posted it as evidence. We can CLEARLY see from this video that ganking a winning lane is the wrong way to go. Your winning lane, as I stated earlier, should be able to push their advantage without jungler assistance. If they draw aggro and are adept at avoiding dying to said aggro the rest of the team can also press this numbers advantage on other portions of the map, which is the correct way to play the game. Quite simply, this video is the best possible evidence there is to support the fact that the OP of this thread is 100% wrong in every way.

Junglers don't need to help out in winning lanes, you don't win the game by farming kills. You win by taking objectives. So go help out those weaker lanes, keep them focused, and help them take some objectives to get back into a match. Thanks for posting such excellent evidence mate, it certainly makes it clear what the correct course of action is for junglers.

JRobin311 votes

Just because one lane is winning doesn't mean it's the only lane that's winning.

LoL.

jaymc11301 votes

{quoted}

Just because one lane is winning doesn't mean it's the only lane that's winning.

LoL.

In the video you posted 100% of the kills in that game were Riven killing the enemy top laner and the enemy jungler once until the 8-9 minute mark when she took top tower and the first gank happened. It happened in a lane that was losing in cs and pressure.

There was only one winning lane in the video you posted mate. And it was Riven. And she never got a gank. Which is the correct play. Winning lanes do not need a massive amount of help, the lanes that are falling behind do, however, and your video was perfect evidence of the correct thing for a jungler to do. Amumu went and helped the lanes Riven wasn't steamrolling. This resulted in every lane winning. So again, thanks for posting such excellent evidence that the OP of this thread is 100% incorrect.

JRobin311 votes

when the enemy jungler goes to help a losing lane aka Riven's lane (aka the wrong play to make), it opens up the ability of the jungler. The Riven player explained in the video exactly how that was able to happen.

Amumu didn't win the game for his team, the enemy jungler lost it. You can't watch this video and say, "Amumu carried the game for the team". That is just a blatant mis-characterization. Amumu executes to Krug's! But you are trying to say that the video endorses Amumu's excellent decision making.

When the enemy jungler showed up in lane to gank the winning Riven, the Riven player explained that by doing so, the enemy jungler wasted his time and then ended up feeding the Riven. You seem to feel that the other lanes were losing, but they really weren't doing badly. Amumu wasn't making plays into a losing situation (which would've been fundamentally wrong). The enemy jungler messed up and if he had payed attention to other lanes that had the potential to actually carry the game, he might've done better for his team. Instead, he made the low probability play against the strong Riven. This sort of move is classic in low ranked play. The Gnar is never going to win his lane, is never going to do well, is only going to feed (not intentionally like you might say), but the jungler shows up to his lane thinking he's going to turn things around and gets killed. It's because he doesn't understand how to assess his lanes properly. The Gnar-Riven matchup isn't even a matchup that he needs to show up in to give the Gnar breathing room. Gnar should be able to play safer and be relevant later without a gank. So it isn't even the correct move in that regard. When the Wukong goes top lane, the Riven player explains, "He's level 3; I'm level 5. I already bought the pick-axe... so no way I would lose that." He says, "These things come down to experience... I can stand there and tell, ok, I am not going to lose to him, so if he comes at me, I'm just going to kill him."

He says, "So many players even Silver and Gold make so many mistakes in the early laning phase... so if you win lanes really hard and snowball them then the other people on the opponent team just don't have a chance against you.... like Akali and Vayne and Wukong, they all just don't have a chance fighting me cause I snowballed from top lane."

Maybe they would've been able to do something if Wukong had payed attention to Akali and Vayne, instead of going to Gnar's lane to "help" a losing lane.

You seem to think that the video endorses Amumu. Guess what... it doesn't. Wukong makes a straight up bad decision to gank the losing lane instead of a potentially winning lane and the Riven player explains why Wukong's decision to come at him was wrong.

And what I'm saying is that Wukong's team ends up with no winning lanes and the Riven becomes an unkillable 33-0... not even one death because no one on Wukong's team is strong enough to make a play against the super-fed Riven.

I've played low-ranked games where an enemy laner just goes off and gets like 13 kills - games with a Riven out of control. The games I've won haven't been from ganking these out-of-control snowballing enemy laners who are happy to score double or triple kills on whoever comes to gank them (as the Riven from the video is happy to do)!

I don't see how you can watch this video and say, "Wukong made the right choice to gank Riven but was just 'unlucky'. Meanwhile, Amumu was the star of the show with his intelligent ganking strategy". It's like you are watching a completely different video from the one I posted!

So, I don't know what you are thinking. Maybe, you are thinking that if you were in that game, you would've played Eve instead of Wukong and camped the Riven on your Diamond smurf account but lost anyways because the Amumu that executed to Krugs made such intelligent ganking decisions.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

exactly. i was gonna make a thread right now about this. but you did it. people ask for ganks while they are losing 1v1s and i dont go there most of the time. unless am farming in that area and the gank is just obvious. otherwise i go to my winning lane. gank them or help them push down turrets.

maikokk9 votes

ganking WHILE someone is losing a 1v1 is the most effect you can have as a jungler. dont confuse that with ganking a lost lane

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