Why was Tahm Kench buffed?

Yenn·Jul 24, 2015·4 votes·324 views

Just curious. Because I really enjoyed him invalidating every melee champion and being an immovable object in top lane before the buffs.

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Phuc Dat BichJul 24, 20151 votes

Because All his abilities are skill shots and he dosent have a damaging ULTI like all other supports have!!

So that why Riot add some better ratio on his Ulti and some more damage on his Q

And if you lose top lane from TAHM then you deserve to lose!!

This guy in order to use his W to you he need to AA you 3 times or to Q you -W AA you to W you

And after lvl 6 you have an ulti while this guy just get 20 damage more on his abilities and AA much OP man MUCH OP

Critmaster GarenJul 24, 20151 votes

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Because All his abilities are skill shots and he dosent have a damaging ULTI like all other supports have!!

So that why Riot add some better ratio on his Ulti and some more damage on his Q

And if you lose top lane from TAHM then you deserve to lose!!

This guy in order to use his W to you he need to AA you 3 times or to Q you -W AA you to W you

And after lvl 6 you have an ulti while this guy just get 20 damage more on his abilities and AA much OP man MUCH OP

q is on a really short cooldown, and unlike most 3 hit mechnics, the passive stacks dont decay all at once, but VERY slowly one by one over time. so he doesnt have to hit you very consistently to get the stacks up. he also has a pretty good ap ratio on his q. this creates a situation where he can poke the hell out of you with his q, keep the passive up on you the entire time, and eat you the moment you try to trade back at him. he can also poke at you by spitting a minion at you if he wishes, so he doesnt just have 1 ranged ability.

youre only thinking with support kahm in mind whos w is already enough on its own tbh, since it can save the shittiest adc from most of his mistakes.

ap/health kahm on top is a lane bully thats incredibly hard to trade back at. at least for most melees. his shield/grey health heal and devour make sure of that.

it would probably not be as bad if they made the passive decay completely instead of 1 stack at a time. that way you could retreat, and have the passive drop off before you go back in csing. or he would really have to hit you consistently with his abilities to get the stacks up instead of occationally. the way it works now, he stacks it pretty easily by poking at you while youre trying to get minions.

Phuc Dat BichJul 24, 20151 votes

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q is on a really short cooldown, and unlike most 3 hit mechnics, the passive stacks dont decay all at once, but VERY slowly one by one over time. so he doesnt have to hit you very consistently to get the stacks up. he also has a pretty good ap ratio on his q. this creates a situation where he can poke the hell out of you with his q, keep the passive up on you the entire time, and eat you the moment you try to trade back at him. he can also poke at you by spitting a minion at you if he wishes, so he doesnt just have 1 ranged ability.

youre only thinking with support kahm in mind whos w is already enough on its own tbh, since it can save the shittiest adc from most of his mistakes.

ap/health kahm on top is a lane bully thats incredibly hard to trade back at. at least for most melees. his shield/grey health heal and devour make sure of that.

it would probably not be as bad if they made the passive decay completely instead of 1 stack at a time. that way you could retreat, and have the passive drop off before you go back in csing. or he would really have to hit you consistently with his abilities to get the stacks up instead of occationally. the way it works now, he stacks it pretty easily by poking at you while youre trying to get minions.

You just dont know how to play against him!! And its not your fault the champion is new

I have never defend a champion But i cant see people asking for nerfs on TAHM where is the ONLY support that its kinda fun and its not ether broken AKA blitz/Thresh or boring AKA Janna/son stay behind all day do nothing and just E -Q and if they come in Press R much fun...such thrill...

At least with Tahm you have FUN and yeah a support who can ACTUALLY save an ADC from all the broken Assasin where the bad on that?

Where is the bad to actually have counterplay against VI or Malp ulti?

Critmaster GarenJul 24, 20151 votes

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You just dont know how to play against him!! And its not your fault the champion is new

I have never defend a champion But i cant see people asking for nerfs on TAHM where is the ONLY support that its kinda fun and its not ether broken AKA blitz/Thresh or boring AKA Janna/son stay behind all day do nothing and just E -Q and if they come in Press R much fun...such thrill...

At least with Tahm you have FUN and yeah a support who can ACTUALLY save an ADC from all the broken Assasin where the bad on that?

Where is the bad to actually have counterplay against VI or Malp ulti?

what makes him fun are not his scalings.

imo the only thing he could use is a) a debuff timer, so we know exactly when the passive is gonna drop off, and b) have the stacks fall off all at once, when the timer runs out.

thats not too much to ask.

also, understand his kit. as a melee champ he doesnt leave you many options. hes too good at poking imo, but too tanky to trade back directly. just tune the ap scaling on his q down a little bit and make that change to his passive and he will be fine.

Phuc Dat BichJul 24, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UnB18HPn,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-24T03:41:28.799+0000)

what makes him fun are not his scalings.

imo the only thing he could use is a) a debuff timer, so we know exactly when the passive is gonna drop off, and b) have the stacks fall off all at once, when the timer runs out.

thats not too much to ask.

also, understand his kit. as a melee champ he doesnt leave you many options. hes too good at poking imo, but too tanky to trade back directly. just tune his q down a little bit and make that change to his passive and he will be fine.

no the Q and the E need to remain the same!! reason? because as support you have nothing to trade off (your W cost 90 mana ) and if you use it to poke you are doing wrong because if you eat a minion the enemies you just all in you because you cant save the ADC any more!! plus you will oom way fast!!

So if riot need to do something is to Keep His Q and passive and E and R as it is and maybe nerf the damage from W the max hp BUT reduce the mana cost and CD of the skill so he will move out from top lane and he will be better support!

Critmaster GarenJul 24, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yeshua HAMASHIAJ,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UnB18HPn,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-24T03:45:43.339+0000)

no the Q and the E need to remain the same!! reason? because as support you have nothing to trade off (your W cost 90 mana ) and if you use it to poke you are doing wrong because if you eat a minion the enemies you just all in you because you cant save the ADC any more!! plus you will oom way fast!!

So if riot need to do something is to Keep His Q and passive and E and R as it is and maybe nerf the damage from W the max hp BUT reduce the mana cost and CD of the skill so he will move out from top lane and he will be better support!

no, as a support he doesnt rely as much on the damage, as he relies on the fact that he can save the ass of his adc all the time or just take out one of the 2 opponents out of the fight for a couple of seconds.

support kahm would barely notice an ap scaling nerf to the q, since he doesnt build much ap in the first place.

think about the first items you grab when you go support. do you really think a .5 ap scaling would make much of a difference for you compared to a .7 scaling with those items?

you usually tune supports this way by giving them high base values and lower scalings. so they get punished less for not building much damage, an dont become a menace when stacking ap on other lanes. at least riot does it this way.

honestly the passive thing would be enough. i just dont want him o be able to stack his passive at range too easily. he should have to hit q for the slow and then at least auto 2 times in melee to get his stacks. OR he has to hit it repeatedly and consistently.

the way it works righ now, seems not to be too difficult to get the stacks up even if you miss the q now and then. they just decay way too slow.