atmas impaler deleted
reworked into an assassin item
crit removed aswell
wont have crit anymore
no more items without taking too much sacrifices in defense and wasting a ton of gold on useless attack speed.
ill miss this build.
Marshbouy7 votesI, for one, will not.
saltran6 votes
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ZackTheWaffleMan1 votesƑ
Lil Homie busta1 votesJust like DFG, it will not be miss.
Not at all.
damn rito y u du dis
Big Lincoln5 votesat least we have storm razor qq
Critmaster Garen4 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UlrOOMva,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-02T00:01:18.231+0000)
at least we have storm razor qq
storm razor has attack speed aswell. like 20% or 30%. if it was just the passive, maybe it could have worked. though it would still force you to basically never open a fight with q.
Big Lincoln4 votesguaranteed crit and a burst of MS are more important than some meager attack speed imo
Critmaster Garen8 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UlrOOMva,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-02T00:03:50.928+0000)
guaranteed crit and a burst of MS are more important than some meager attack speed imo
eh. the main issue id have with it is probably the lack of control over the passive. youll always have to open a fight with a spin, or you blow it prematurely with your q.
the old + fit his kit so well, that you could run them as your only two offensive items and go into defense from there. i fear, there will never be such good crit items for him anymore.
Big Lincoln2 votesspin doesnt reset the timer.
otoh for some reason Q won't apply the crit (apparently any modified auto attack won't right now -- hopefully a bug) but you can get 2 free crits before and after spin and it's a fairly big chunk of extra damage
RiotRiot Axes26 votesThe Q thing is a bug, should be fixed on PBE tomorrow (had quite a few things go wrong in pushing it to PBE). Q-E-Auto should proc it twice if you spin for 2.5 seconds.
For a while in testing it just gave you 100% crit chance til you critted something, which was super fun on Garen. Turns out we can't actually let Jhin have 4000 gold of free stats while he ults, though - who'd've thought?
Critmaster Garen3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Axes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UlrOOMva,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-02T05:36:16.774+0000)
The Q thing is a bug, should be fixed on PBE tomorrow (had quite a few things go wrong in pushing it to PBE). Q-E-Auto should proc it twice if you spin for 2.5 seconds.
For a while in testing it just gave you 100% crit chance til you critted something, which was super fun on Garen. Turns out we can't actually let Jhin have 4000 gold of free stats while he ults, though - who'd've thought?
damn, thats a shame. because that does sound super fun. though i guess its kindof the same effect.
Red Wreckage1 votesHow this works? Q-E-Auto proc twice?
I thought the description says if you had not attacked for 2.5 seconds? Is Garen counted as non-attacking for his E?
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Red Wreckage,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UlrOOMva,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000004,timestamp=2018-05-02T11:21:03.780+0000)
How this works? Q-E-Auto proc twice?
I thought the description says if you had not attacked for 2.5 seconds? Is Garen counted as non-attacking for his E?
obviously. a portion of garens spin can critically strike, but its still a spell and not a basic attack.
otherwise it would also apply on hit effects. that shit would be glorious.
MuffledGarbage1 votes
+ 
E + Minion wave = JUSTICE EXPLOSION
MetalGearTeemo1 votes Spins your team with 
... Witty Garen would be a thing, even with the wasted Attack Speed stat
Critmaster Garen3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Axes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UlrOOMva,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-02T05:36:16.774+0000)
The Q thing is a bug, should be fixed on PBE tomorrow (had quite a few things go wrong in pushing it to PBE). Q-E-Auto should proc it twice if you spin for 2.5 seconds.
For a while in testing it just gave you 100% crit chance til you critted something, which was super fun on Garen. Turns out we can't actually let Jhin have 4000 gold of free stats while he ults, though - who'd've thought?
is there any chance at all, that we might see an item like atmas impaler back in the game, or the possibility of runes that grant access to crit chance without attack speed attached?
you know, something that unlocks a decent amount of crit chance at 10 minutes, or at lvl 10 like the transcendence rune to avoid early lane rng.
another possibility would be a fourth bounty hunter rune, that grants like 5% crit chance per unique takedown.
because at this point, if adc will be able to get 100% crit chance off 3 items anyway, we might aswell add a couple rune options. its not like they can stack a 120% crit.
SlashStriker1 votesHow does Stormrazor interact with Master YI's Alpha Strike and GP's Parrrley
Akali is SO HOT2 voteslol that must've been pretty funny
Bottom Laner2 votes4444 gold or riot
Skorch1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Axes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UlrOOMva,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-02T05:36:16.774+0000)
The Q thing is a bug, should be fixed on PBE tomorrow (had quite a few things go wrong in pushing it to PBE). Q-E-Auto should proc it twice if you spin for 2.5 seconds.
For a while in testing it just gave you 100% crit chance til you critted something, which was super fun on Garen. Turns out we can't actually let Jhin have 4000 gold of free stats while he ults, though - who'd've thought?
Nahnahnahnahnahnahnah Jhin would be FINE 100%...
redniwediS2 votesDid they say IE won't have crit anymore? I thought they were only removing the bonus crit damage. Sure it will no longer cover for the lower crit damage Garen's E has, but if IE still has it's base crit amount you can still pair it with another crit item and make use of this true damage thingy. Won't really know until we get more information on the new IE, but between it and Conqueror Garen could become a true damage powerhouse.
That or I'm just being overly optimistic again.
Critmaster Garen4 votesDid they say IE won't have crit anymore? I thought they were only removing the bonus crit damage. Sure it will no longer cover for the lower crit damage Garen's E has, but if IE still has it's base crit amount you can still pair it with another crit item and make use of this true damage thingy. Won't really know until we get more information on the new IE, but between it and Conqueror Garen could become a true damage powerhouse.
That or I'm just being overly optimistic again.
i.e. is changed to
80 AD
it wont have crit chance itself anymore.
TempName748141 votesif it doubles crit chance, won't it only take 3 items to get 100%?
redniwediS1 votesGaren already rarely got a second crit item for 50% crit chance. He needs defensive items or lethality/armor pen of some sort to function properly, so three items for crit is definitely too much of an investment.
Normally Garen would just go for IE and call it a day, and that works really well in the current game.
TempName748142 votesgo big or go home amirite
redniwediS3 votesIn Norms and ARAM, hell freaking yeah.
TricolorStar2 votesGood.
Keti2 votesBRING BACK THE PUNCH
PopcornBunni1 votesHey, 
gives 12% damage reduction backed by his huge health pool and soon to be increased by 33% W resistances.
Critmaster Garen2 votesHey,
i really hate wasting gold on flat attack speed increases. even triforce its a nuissance and i just put up with it for the burst off sheen.
was the good shit back when it was still a crit item. you could gain a massive windowed attack speed boost after your spin, which made it amazing to bridge his cooldown windows.
storm razor looks kindof similar, only with a lot less control and useless attack speed on the items stats itself.
Z3Sleeper1 votesWait a second my dude. Does stormrazor grant +100% crit chance until your next attack or does it only proc on basic attack?
Cuz if they mess this up we could potentially have a bugged permanent 100% crit chance spin so long as you don't hit with Q before you spin.
Bobloser35551 votesIE wont crit anymore? where did u read that are you sure?
Critmaster Garen2 votesIE wont crit anymore? where did u read that are you sure?
yes, im sure. riot axes made a post on the pbe going into detail about the midseason item changes. by now it should also be on surrat20 and similar lol related sites.
i.e. will basically get a yasuo passive (doubles your crit chance), and convert 20% damage of a crit to true damage.
in return, the item wont grant crit chance itself anymore.
so basically its poop as your only crit related item and doesnt work on its own anymore.
Bobloser35551 votesman dont we have enough true damage in this game? and what is armor pen for if you get true damage item anyways...
DarwinTheory1 votesIt should be clear by now RIOT games do not give a shit about Garen. If it's not a super flashy e sports centric champ or a freewin high skin sales champ (Riven, Yasuo I am looking at you) they don't give a fuck.
In fact I think they're deliberately killing Garen so they can rework him and pretend that the juggernaut rework wasn't the root cause of Garens utter uselessness right now so they can be praised for getting a shit champ out the gutter down the line.
Getting a level 4 stage 2 Q buff by which point you've lost lane control and been ganked or a tiny W buff after 120 minions which on average is going to be about 15 / 20 minutes into the game...... absolutely useless. And halfway through a season as it's winding down and changes are coming in for next season. Absolute joke.
FridgesArePpl21 votesyeah because the infinity edge rework is really going to hurt Garen
Critmaster Garen1 votesyeah because the infinity edge rework is really going to hurt Garen
its not going to directly hurt him, but its basically killing his last real effecient crit item that he can pick up.
the current isnt just a troll item on him. its a legit item that you can build into a serious bruiser build. its 100% efficient on him. you get the full effect of the item on your main damage abilities and auto attacks. his spin mechanic normalizes crit chance, so even with only 20% crit chance, youre basically guaranteed to get a damage amp on your spin from the item. its actually one of the strongest offensive items you can buy on garen.
even if the new stormrazor makes it to live, and you can make it work on him, the flat attack speed on the item and the fact that the first attack speed proc off the passive overlaps with his spin means, youre at least losing some efficiency.
the changes dont make him less vaible than he is now, but they hurt his build diversity. its just kind of sad that this build path just kindof died out with the changes over the years just because hes such a niche character who wants just raw crit and ad and doesnt want attack speed at the same time.
Oleandervine1 votesLet's not forget a few years back when they made his Spin-to-Win do minor crits. That's all useless now.
Critmaster Garen1 votesLet's not forget a few years back when they made his Spin-to-Win do minor crits. That's all useless now.
it was always that way though. only the ad scaling portion of the spin used to crit. not the base damage.
i think the ratio of base damage to ad scaling portion even used to be worse in the past for crit builds if im not mistaken.
Oleandervine1 votesNo, I distinctly remember when they added in the ability to have his E crit, because it was one of those off-build bonuses that wouldn't affect regular play. It wasn't something that was always done, but they added it in like the next season after Atma's was removed.
Critmaster Garen1 votesNo, I distinctly remember when they added in the ability to have his E crit, because it was one of those off-build bonuses that wouldn't affect regular play. It wasn't something that was always done, but they added it in like the next season after Atma's was removed.
the crit on his spin was always there.
it was one of the reasons why atmas was even the item that was most effectively used by garen. other fighters didnt care about the 18% crit at all.
they decided to keep it with the juggernaut update, since people asked for it on the pbe boards, and riot repertoir said that the crit scaling can stay because it doesnt factor into his power budget.
trust me. ive been running crit garen since long before season 5. before season 3 even and the introduction of the ad caster version of cleaver. hence the name, when i was still running + as my two crit items into a defensive build.
Oleandervine1 votesAlright, fair enough. I just swear I remember them giving E the ability to crit at one point, similar to how they allowed Sivir's W to crit.
Critmaster Garen1 votesAlright, fair enough. I just swear I remember them giving E the ability to crit at one point, similar to how they allowed Sivir's W to crit.
you might be thinking about his q. because decisive strike used to be treated as an ability, and not an empowered auto attack.
hence, why it went through abilities like teemos blind, and jax dodge.
since it was changed to be treated as an auto attack, it lost its immunity to these effects, but was also able to crit from there on out.
just to be sure that im not full of shit, i double checked his patch history. there was no mention about the addition to the crit scaling on any one of the changes they did to his spin, back to some 1.0.x patch. so it was definitely always there. otherwise the addition would have been documented.
Vectros1 votesStrangely enough, I swear this was added to his E at some point-I thought when he got his bruiser update. But I can't find it documented anywhere...Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I swore it stated "can now" instead of "added for clarity" or some such effect.
Marothennan1 votesI don't think the old youmuus with the 10% crit was any less of an assassin item
Critmaster Garen1 votesI don't think the old youmuus with the 10% crit was any less of an assassin item
15% :)
it was mostly aimed at melee carries like 
etc.
Marothennan1 votesI know Zed would build it every game. ( At least he did in s4 when I started playing ) Talon built it too if I can remember correctly. Rengar not sure Kha Zix I don't think so. But assassins were definitely building it
Chaotic Reks1 votesConquerer + IE + villain = fuckloads of true damage
Wind Whistler1 votesJust another thing for more people to miss. When will this stop? Will it ever? Will I ever get to see Yorick and Galio again? Probably not.