Why are people saying Zed is too op?

LegitBacon66·Feb 20, 2015·6 votes·5,169 views

Thank you guys for the feedback. I see what you people mean. :)

Im not a zed main but, why are people saying Zed is OP? I mean really if you're complaining he's not getting nerfed because of the BIG LCS PLAYS, uh no hes barely played this year at all that much. Also his win rate is not that high at all. His win rate is almost on par with Yasuo's, Fizz, and Akali's. I mean Yasuo isn't that strong neither is fizz, but Zed is VERY strong but his win rate isn't that why because he probably has high counterplay. So I really don't see why people say hes so "OP' or needs "Nerfing". He can be countered so easily and AD mids are not really that strong compared to AP mids right now.

41 Comments

warpenguin555Feb 20, 20155 votes

i dont think hes OP, just annoying to fight

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

Elaborate please?

warpenguin555Feb 20, 20151 votes

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Elaborate please? he can tower dive with ease, dodge alot of your skillshots, and his q's tend to chunk. I feel opressed and stuck undertower. all is pretty annoying. hmm i just contradicted myself

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

The tower diving I can agree thats just like... what? Yeah he has a lot of outplay, but Q is also a skill shot. I don't know.

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 20, 20152 votes

Alot of other champs have more than 1 skill shot, yet they dont have the mobility that zed does, he shouldn't have EVERYTHING, 1v1 potential, wave clearing speed, long range, HIGH mobility, ability to DODGE incoming damage, blowing up power. HE has WAY to much going for him and NO negatives.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

Dodging is part of his kit. His range is only extended through shadows which aren't always up. I can agree he can blow up people and get out without taking significant damage. He has pretty low counter play in terms of 1v1.

JQKAndreiJan 23, 20161 votes

Zed sucks at teamfights.

Romans VI XXIIIJan 23, 20161 votes

GJ, you are commenting on a nearly year old Post.

JQKAndreiJan 23, 20161 votes

Oh... I found it on the first page so I guess someone bumped it, sorry.

GrimspeakeFeb 20, 20152 votes

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i dont think hes OP, just annoying to fight

^^ this

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

That annoyance might be that he can blow you up real fast and get out im assuming? (not saying this in a negative way)

NΣQFeb 20, 20152 votes

The thing is that he has: to strong wave clearing + to strong burst damage + great escape system + great poke His passive+W+E make him a lord of free farm His W+Q+E combo make his poke master Its too much for one champion intended to be an assassin, not a carry+assassin. The point is that he's not "OP" but he hasnt got healthy playstyle.

Evil KermitJan 23, 20161 votes

wrong, zed has one of the funnest playstyles in the game, also hes a healthy alternative to mid mages. hes easy to counter and if he has to use abilities to farm, then he cant harass you, so dont complain about that. and who-ever you saw do a w-q-e combo is a retard, your supposed to (W+E)-Q in other words, e right as you w and then q them. read my other comment on him aswell

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 20, 20153 votes

Please explain what you mean by

He can be countered so easily

Thank you.

Sir YamazukiFeb 20, 20153 votes

Probably the typical Zhonyas, which generally counters everything, or QSS. Since people believe the fact he needs his ult to kill targets. If he was ever reliant on his ult to be useful at all, he probably wouldn't be picked as often, ever.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

Isn't he reliant on his ult anyways? How would help a team fight?

Sir YamazukiFeb 20, 20152 votes

His ult can be used to dodge damage or for escaping, if your opponent doesn't have either items it allows you to just leave sooner since you can just let the detonate finish them off assuming you can calculate how much damage it's going to do, but he in no way shape or form needs his ult detonation to reliably kill people. He also doesn't only need to team fight, he is also a good split pusher, which is why his attack speed was lowered. You pretty much would die if he could 1v1, if not he wasted your time because he was too good at running away.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

True, but how should riot in reality change him so he can't do that?

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 20, 20153 votes

You could rush zhonyas, but you wont have it by the time he hits 6, thus he will kill you almost instantly when he hits 6, doesnt matter if u are turret hugging either. Then he will begin to snowball while you dont have zhonyas and roam, killing the other lanes who dont have zhonyas.

Or you could build QSS, which has 100% useless stats vs Zed, and all it does is negate the ult damage and not the damage from his other abilites. Thus making it a very poor item vs zed.

And its not his ult that kills people in the laning phase, its his mindless spamming.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

Ok so if he spams what do you propose riot should do? I mean his Q is a skill shot so dodging half the damage is an option

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 20, 20153 votes

they need to make Q and E deal reduced damage to minions, He is an assassin he should not have the clear speed of a mage.
his spells need longer CDs or Higher energy Costs. As is he can spam Q every second it is up, inevitably landing some, and slowly chunking you, where as Mana champs have to think before casting spells in the early game. on zed its oh my spells are off CD... W>Q>E and wait 10 seconds and do it again.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

Should they remove the energy refund he receives for using his shadows? Yes wave clear is a big problem. Probably only assassin that can do it besides talon.

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 20, 20153 votes

No they should not remove the energy refund for landing the shadow spell and his spell on the same target, that rewards the player for playing well, but increasing the shadow cost should be a good start, Almost all other Energy champs go OOE if they cast there entire combo and relies on energy refund to help sustain them,

shen for example can not do a full combo instantly if he misses his E, thus creating a risk/reward for him. Zed on the other hand can cast his entire combo for 165 energy at lvl 3, and 125 energy at lvl 18, where as shens costs 230 energy to cast at all lvls, but refunds some if he can land his E. Which one has the risk? Obviously shen does, if he doesn't land his E then he is gunna be hurtin for energy, where as Zed can cast all his spells with energy to spare, AND he can do it from a safe distance. Where as shen has to get in your face.

There is no counter play to Zeds near mindless spamming of spells, and something needs to be done about it. you can counter build his ult all you want, he will still spam his spells at you and start to push you out/zone you out. Zed does not need his ult to kill you most the time. 80% of the time the ult is used just for the in/out aspect as it has a HUGE range from which he can TP back to his shadow. allowing him to all in you for 6 seconds before he can TP back to safety. Which is a LONG time in game.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

Agreed

SnugglePuggle94Jan 23, 20161 votes

That Zhonya's is 3500 gold, on top of the armor stats of it being nerfed. By the time you both hit level 6, he has money for a Hexdrinker while you don't even have enough for a Seeker's (speaking that in the case that he was able to poke you enough you couldn't farm). We AP lovers have such a disadvantage against Zed it's ridiculous.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20152 votes

A lot of summoner spells like summoner 4 summoner 7 summoner 3 summoner 21 summoner 1 and yes Zhonyas and QSS

stuartk11Feb 20, 20152 votes

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A lot of summoner spells like and yes Zhonyas and QSS

Flash and Cleanse can be used to counter pretty much anyone in the game now. Heal and barrier can certainly help when Zed hits level 6 first. People should take exhaust against Zed, as well as other assassins. It's simply the best way for mages to counter assassins.

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 20, 20152 votes

Thats like stating CCing him counters him, cause CC counters every one. If you have to have a summoner to counter some one doesnt that show that they are slightly OP, FORCING you to have X or Y in order to not get killed by him?

Being forced to buy X item or having Y summoner in order to survive against Z champion means something is wrong, and needs to be changed.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

Yeah forcing someone to counter you isn't good.

OhOkYeahFeb 20, 20153 votes

LeeSin Lee Sin

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20152 votes

Yeah why is he OP?

Yordle XayahFeb 20, 20153 votes

Thing for me, is that after Season 3, Ahri was nerfed based on the fact that she was too mobile. Based on that, I never understood why champs arguably more mobile than her such as Lee and Zed, were never touched.

Also, it doesn't matter if they need a nerf, they are too popular for Riot to really care. You may remember a couple patches ago, they supposedly nerfed Zed's split push. Bjergsen and Febiven just played Zed for split pushing in recent games.

So basically Riot doesn't care. It annoys me, but I've kinda given up on it right now, so I don't pay much mind to it. But going back to my original point... Riot's line was "Based on that mobility, she has no clear weakness (Ahri)" despite me liking her right now, they went back to that mobility, and she kinda has the exact same problems that gave her all those changes in Season 3, and I feel they'll nerf her again soon enough, and I agree. But not Zed or Lee. No matter how mobile they are.

Also, Zed has a thing where there's only two real counter plays to him: summoner 3 item 3157 I thought Riot liked to give more options than that but... what do I know.

tsPRDSpNS4Oct 5, 20151 votes

I know this is an old message, but at the time there was still qss, morgana black shield, and just flashing away from zed once his ult runs it's course so he can't do enough damage to you to kill him. Things have changed alot since your comment though, and zed is a popular champion but doesn't yield great results in-game very often - unless of course the player using zed is actually good.

Yordle XayahOct 5, 20151 votes

The whole assassin meta has changed a lot since that message. Black Shield and QSS weren't as effective because he was still able to do a lot of the damage outside of the ult. Since then, those options (specially QSS) have become more meaningful. Zed right now is a bit like Yasuo. A very good player will bring great results, but he required someone really skilled to take full advantage of his power. In that sense, I think he's at a balanced state right now.

Drunk RummateFeb 20, 20152 votes

relying on a summoner spell is a pretty silly counter choice. summoners are like get out of jail free cards, sure, but they have extremely high cooldowns relative to abilities (like zed's ult). plus, zed is going to be building CDR and ulting every 45 seconds

zhonyas obviously doesnt come into play until youve gotten the gold for the full item. obviously seekers helps you get there but you also sacrifice a lot of mana regen to get it as your first item.

you can obviously beat him, its just really frustrating and he never falls off despite his strong early game like renekton or other lane bullies do.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

Point to be noted ^

3sTbGoP7ESFeb 20, 20152 votes

Just ignore them. They are just trolls spamming Lee Sin/Zed are op everywhere.

LegitBacon66Feb 20, 20151 votes

I noticed that's why I asked specifically because I was confused because I find it easy to fight him. I thinks it a thing where if people never play that champion they don't know how to fight him properly I guess. Some cases can be different.

Evil KermitJan 23, 20161 votes

Zed definitely isnt op, his q, like lulu's is really hard to hit because your shooting from 2 spots at a time, under pressure as well. hes also easy to counter. zed is weak until he reaches lvl 3 so punish him b4 that and hes screwed. also, if you get a tiny bit of tank zed gets destroyed. also when hes ulting you he focuses all of his abilities into one spot, flash out just as he appears and you live. also if he couldn't dodge you then he would die straight away. also, its easy to bait zed into a tower dive if you have a stun or root. on top of that as a zed main i know that late game he falls off, i just had a game where i went 24/5/9 and the only reason i managed to do that well is because they didn't change their strategy to compensate for me taking out their adc early team fight. zed is also mechanically intensive, if you dont play him as a main you shouldn't play him at all, because he takes a lot of practice. even though zed isn't very strong he is really fun to play, and because it is actually really hard to animation cancel on your ult so that you can escape, it makes you feel like a beast. also, juke his shadows not him, and one last thing. early game zed has heaps of damage but if he needs to use abilities to cs then he cant harass you, so don't let him go near minions. and his w cool-down is really long so punish him in that time.

And î oopDec 4, 20171 votes

zed has way to much mobility and compared to other high skill champs he is much more rewarding like skilled zed could win hard core pro azir and it would be balanced