Dear lux/brand supports

The Deckowner·Jan 10, 2016·10 votes·1,554 views

u are not a fucking mage, if u called support then fucking be a support!

sightstone should be first or second tiem of a support, not a luden's echo or death cap!

starting doran's ring wont give u any gold! seriously i cant believe people are actually only buying ap item with the gold they get when timer moves.

not landing any skillshots means u sre bad dont fucking blame the adc for dying when u just stood there missed all ur abilities and died right after!

no one gives a shit about your "i am a burst mage" bullshit! get ur sightstone and fqc and ward the river! dont expect me the jg to ward it for u i have other two lanes and a whole jg which i need to ward up.

and if u never brought a single pinkward in a game u should probably just never play ranked, not just as support but anything.

these trash who call thenselves support is ruining the name of support and causing cancer for their teammates. i am not saying lux and brand players are bad, they are just an example.

88 Comments

TrídentJan 10, 20166 votes

Lux shouldn't rush sightstone, but they could get it as their 3rdish item. Getting damage to rofl stomp is usually better, and you and the ADC can still ward with trinkets.

There are many different type of supports, for many rushing sightstone is good, but for some it isn't too good of an idea.

Reaper SorakaJan 10, 20162 votes

I kind of disagree. I like to think Sightstone helps people live, and as strangely as is sounds, I don't mean that as increasing a person's KDA is the goal. The person in turn keeps objectives alive (or takes them) which is the primary goal of the game.

FQC is a pretty good item, especially for a kill-style lane right now. It could probably wait until after that with the trinkets, but I don't like to play blind when a single one of those is destroyed.. :(

TrídentJan 10, 20163 votes

Well, yeah, it does help people live more, but not really that much as long as you still ward. Kill lane supports can still ward along with their adcs, which is good enough, except dragon could be dark. Damage also helps them live by poking down and killing opponents faster and when their fed, the enemy jungler can't gank bot without risking a big catastrophe resulting in a triple kill. However, sightstone does become essential later to light up the map when the laning phase is over

ReshiKillimJan 10, 20164 votes

Puh-lese, everyone knows they rush Luden's first.

Who needs wards when you can roflstomp any opposers?

Brand, Annie, Lux, can just burst down anyone who tries to fight them. Why bother warding when you can just instantly delete anyone who tries to gank?

The DeckownerJan 10, 20162 votes

if u think always having a jg/mid ganking ur lane at any moment(aka camping) because they know u dont have any wards out is a good idea, and u think with support gold u can have as much dmg as mid/top mages, then go ahead and rush ur luden.

ReshiKillimJan 10, 20163 votes

Simple. Abuse the S6 mastery synergy and get bank off of deleting the enemy botlaners who aren't super nuker supports and snowball ridiculously. It may sound complex, but it really comes down to spamming buttons on the enemy ADC and watching the cash flow in as they can't do anything to stop you.

The enemy junglers will be too terrified of the incredibly fed burst mage and will gank lanes that are safer to gank.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

if ur opponents are monkeys who are confirmed brain dead then what u said is very true.

u dont expect to win lane instantly and aalways bully the enemy out, ur enemy arent retarded and u arent any stronger than them when u and the enemy walk into lane with 1 item at the same time.

ReshiKillimJan 10, 20161 votes

Sure you can be stronger in lane. The Keystone synergy can make or break a lane. For example, Compare Annie's thunderlord synergy with a Vayne's. You may be surprised to find that it's more powerful on Annie than it is on Vayne in early-mid game.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

so? does being able to proc thunderlord easier in lane give u a reason to not build support item?

and if u consider the actual dmg dealt after proc thunderlord u will realize vayne came out ahead in the trade. 3 auto+thunderlord+silver bow is greater than 1auto+q+w

ReshiKillimJan 10, 20161 votes

Annie can proc thunderlord's by being attacked, while dishing out unavoidable stuns, and lots of damage.

And yes, being able to synergize better with keystones can mean a lot. Equal level Annie will trump equal level Vayne if their skill levels are the same.

PowderToastJan 10, 20161 votes

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Simple. Abuse the S6 mastery synergy and get bank off of deleting the enemy botlaners who aren't super nuker supports and snowball ridiculously. It may sound complex, but it really comes down to spamming buttons on the enemy ADC and watching the cash flow in as they can't do anything to stop you.

The enemy junglers will be too terrified of the incredibly fed burst mage and will gank lanes that are safer to gank.

don't waste your time, this guy's on another level, he wont listen to your logic. he'd rather blame others especially riot, and cry wolf some more about what he thinks supports are supposed to be ...

I bet his CS averages are under 100 and that's his supports fault also.

PowderToastJan 10, 20161 votes

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if u think always having a jg/mid ganking ur lane at any moment(aka camping) because they know u dont have any wards out is a good idea, and u think with support gold u can have as much dmg as mid/top mages, then go ahead and rush ur luden.

how bad are you? you never thought about warding yourself and playing smart, if you know where they keep coming from....derpa derpa 101 say's don't go or bait them.

naaaw, you rather blames others.

EcodeathJan 10, 20164 votes

gg tons of bronze supports are downvoting

BonipherusJan 10, 20164 votes

If anyone gets a deathcap first item they have problems

TrídentJan 10, 20162 votes

Well, this part's true. xD

xMelchizedekJan 10, 20163 votes

But if I go Morello's I can miss more skillshots?

Gated D LatchJan 10, 20164 votes

item 3092 is better imo

xMelchizedekJan 10, 20161 votes

Less ap and less cdr

Gated D LatchJan 10, 20161 votes

Very nice active to give vision, more mana regen

darkmatchwaldoJan 10, 20161 votes

item 3092 is so broken that mid laners are rushing it over item 3165 , the active more than makes up for less ap and cdr. Also, that much mana regen for that cheap is ridiculous.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

fqc most broken ap item atm, idk why u even think about getting an ap mage item when the support item is broken.

darkmatchwaldoJan 10, 20163 votes

A brand support who rushes sightstone is gonna deal underwhelming damage, he's better off rushing some damage and buying pink wards to supplement. He's better off grabbing it 2nd/3rd thoooooooooooooooo

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

as a support u offer cc and dmg are bonuses, with spelltheif and passive brand can deal agood amount of dmg early game with only one e without any ap item.

darkmatchwaldoJan 10, 20162 votes

If you're gonna play a kill lane support you might as well go all the way. Supports don't have to bring ONLY cc. Sure spellthiefs, thunderlords, and passive deal good damage. But why do decent damage when you can do a lot of damage? We don't play in diamond+ where you'll actually get punished for not building sightstone asap. Keeping track of a low elo jungler early in the game is pretty easy, they pretty much only use the same 3-4 routes.

PowderToastJan 10, 20162 votes

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A brand support who rushes sightstone is gonna deal underwhelming damage, he's better off rushing some damage and buying pink wards to supplement. He's better off grabbing it 2nd/3rd thoooooooooooooooo

this OP doesn't have logic like yours he is in wood league for a reason. Wont ever be able to understand that different champs have different ways to support in lane phase.

darkmatchwaldoJan 10, 20162 votes

If you play Lux support correctly you're gonna be rolling in assist dough anyways, you should be able to build whatever you damn well please if you're doing it right. Hell, if you're doing it right you should be finishing your item 3092 and getting item 2049 at the same time because you're ballin out in assist gold.

Dominick DestineJan 10, 20162 votes

Brand scales so much better with Rylai/Liandrys.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20163 votes

no one said u cant get ap items for ur third or fourth items, but not getting any support item(most of then start doran's ring, never got rqc and ss) is unacceptablr.

PowderToastJan 10, 20161 votes

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no one said u cant get ap items for ur third or fourth items, but not getting any support item(most of then start doran's ring, never got rqc and ss) is unacceptablr.

I really love your one sided, inside the box mentality when it comes to "support" items.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

i am not being onesided, as a supoort u have no gold income so u haveto buy a gold ibcome item first, and since every support has to buy a gold income item therefore they are also refered to as support items.

PowderToastJan 10, 20161 votes

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i am not being onesided, as a supoort u have no gold income so u haveto buy a gold ibcome item first, and since every support has to buy a gold income item therefore they are also refered to as support items.

there you go again ....one sided.

how old are you? not meaning to insult your comprehension skills but for one thing the term "every" leads your statment into a catagory called "rash generalizing"

and that's my point, you proved it again in your own words ... "since every support HAS TO BUY" ...

With the Season 5 addition on trinkets, maybe that was season 4 I forget either way ... signtstone no longer became "required" in fact, when I use certain champs as my support choice ....sight stone does not even show up in their reccamendations.

The onyl time I would ever actually say something to my support is when their KIT actually bennifits from health E.G. Volibear

That said I see you played a game as Morgana and upgraded to Ruby Stone. I am sorry but that's all I need to immediatly tell you don't know whit about supporting.

That Ruby upgrade get's you next to nothing but the health, and you could have bought far better AP items.

And you are super arrogant to presume such things like "you don't even read my ..."

pfft, I read the entire thing. I read most your replies.

Hell, I even read your replies to me ... and more and more you read like an idiot.

A person hell bent on "my way or no way"

You aren't even the adc ... you are still being so mean to supports.

SMDH you going to get banned being so neggative and demanding.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

all champions benefits from extra health.

in that game as morgana support i was 3/3/20, its obvious i did very well that game.

having extra health is always good, 400hp>40ap, my team has yasuo darius rammus and caitlyn there is enough dmg output, as morgana who doesnt have much burst dmg i decided to build more utility, therefore i got the rylais before zhonyas(zhonyas is hella expansive right now extremely un efficient), at that point of the game i had 1000 gold and i need to decide between a blasting wand or ruby sightstone, its obvious ruby ss is the better choice because blasting wand doesnt build into any item that are useful to morgana.

its a situational choice, no one rushes ruby ss, u are the one being onesided.

having extra hp helps me survive so i can ult and not die without the need of using a zhonyas(again rito fucked zhonyas up). with ruby ss and rylai i had over 1000 bonus hp while providing very useful utility for the team.

and using only trinket for warding is dumb, new trinket only has 2 charges max, and takes like 40 sec to regen one(dont remember), so u are playing wards with the cd of an ult. its unreliable.

PowderToastJan 10, 20161 votes

And guess what....?

That's all your choice. You felt that way, feel that way and you ... decided to play that way.

But see, this is where it ends.

No, you wont see....you refuse to see.

What's the worst part about this entire post is the fact you repeatedly refuse to accept anything anyone else has to say. You are so sure of yourself, so sure of how a support "HAS TO PLAY" that you are blind to the reality which is :

When you demand and tell other humans how to play a video game, especially in a bronze ranked game ... you just come off as a huge ass hat, a big giant butt head if that was not understood.

Stop telling others how to play instead realize they are allowed to play the way they want and just short of being a nice summoner and asking them if they'd like a few tips ... most will probably laugh you off based on your inability to be actually non-biased but still, you can ask them.

You will never get what you want 100% of the time, it's an impossible standard to shoot for and will only get you more misurey from this ...GAME. As in, it ... is ... just ... a ... game.

Nobody put a gun to your head. So stop behaving like a know it all when you are not and blaming others who are attempting to evoke on you the logical reasons people choose to play AP mage supports and pick the items which cause dmg over viability in the first 10 mins of a game.

The end.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

idk where all these false assumption of my opinion came from, u probably knows how to read mind dont u.

anyways talking with u biased peoplw is just a waste of time, bye, never see u again.

truly wish i can mute people on the board.

PowderToastJan 11, 20161 votes

do you read what you type on your own post, especially your replies .... or do you just type whatever crap spills into your head first?

I have been using only your replies on this post as my point of reference just short of in game exp with jerks like you, and the other summoner replies in this post.

You told off one person ....that was agreeing with you.

SMDH. Seriously, you might need to quit this game it's obvious you need to at the very least go back and read all of your replies because , you are the one telling people how to play, making rash generalizations about how this game IS TO BE PLAYED as it applies to "support" ...

etc etc etc.

I am done with this, you refuse to actually receive any feed back.

The DeckownerJan 11, 20161 votes

i refuss to reply to this long post on a mobile phone, bye.

Gated D LatchJan 10, 20162 votes

Brand, lux, vel support is the SHIT :D Face stomp opponents and bully them out :) I just make sure to but sightstone on my first back along with some extra ap

They fit well as damaging supports if you have a tank jg and top. CC is pretty nice as well

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

sure if u expect ur enemies are a group of donkey.

BluePolarizerJan 10, 20162 votes

sightstone should be 2nd item on all supports. When I play brand/lux I always take sightstone 2nd unless I am snowballing. The reason is simple: vision wins games. An amp tome isn't going to do shit compared to a sightstone.

AmelieJan 10, 20162 votes

I have to agree with OP's message even though it's kind of aggressively stated. Trinkets are NOT enough to ward consistently since they nerfed the duration and cooldown in preseason. The support player HAS to build a sightstone in order to have any kind of objective control. It's all well and good if you can poke your lane opponents, but if the enemy is getting dragons or successfully ganking you because of a dark map, you aren't actually accomplishing anything in the long term.

I _will _ say that skipping sightstone and just going damage does work in low elo - Silver and below - because there is little map awareness anyway.

Reaper SorakaJan 10, 20161 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/207379439?champion=63&matchType=2

Way ahead of you! I must say after looking back at these games.. It was a very different time, wasn't it?

The DeckownerJan 10, 20162 votes

so i cjecked u on na.op.gg and u just played full ap nami suplort and went 0/5/1 and lost, and ur brand rank game has only 50% winrate and has a low kda, idk what u trying to show me. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=sophiahearts

PowderToastJan 10, 20161 votes

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so i cjecked u on na.op.gg and u just played full ap nami suplort and went 0/5/1 and lost, and ur brand rank game has only 50% winrate and has a low kda, idk what u trying to show me. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=sophiahearts

that you are an idiot. also that this summoner enjoys brand a lot and plays every game obv. also that brand can sup, look at the k/d/a and realize how many assits ..... you are more and more toxic as i read down this post at all of your simple minded one sided opinions.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20162 votes

by 50% winrate i mean on brand, u dont knwo what u are talking about.

and when did i ever say brand cant sup,?i am sick of u people who makes random assumtions.

1.3:1 kda isnt high at all, and assist do count as a kill in current kda calculation, u probably still live in stone age.

PowderToastJan 10, 20161 votes

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by 50% winrate i mean on brand, u dont knwo what u are talking about.

and when did i ever say brand cant sup,?i am sick of u people who makes random assumtions.

1.3:1 kda isnt high at all, and assist do count as a kill in current kda calculation, u probably still live in stone age.

I live in Tukwila, WA.

In 2016.

But I see you were using grade school leve wit.

You, seem to miss the point. This person had sight stones when they played support brand, which is EXACTLY what you are complaining about ....smdh.

You are hell bent on being correct about this and refuse to consider anything else ... one sided.

I bet you live in USA, you read like a perfectly trained USA grade school graduate.

plus 100 to fully following your masters....or pro players .... or whatever it is that has you behaving so poorly towards other people for trying new things.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

i didnt wanna reply, but i guess i need to with all ur criticism against teenagers and USA people.

i am not in usa, and i dont attend grade school, so take back ur words and say sorry to all the americans u critisized for no reason.

PowderToastJan 10, 20161 votes

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i didnt wanna reply, but i guess i need to with all ur criticism against teenagers and USA people.

i am not in usa, and i dont attend grade school, so take back ur words and say sorry to all the americans u critisized for no reason.

hey I said grade school graduate.

I wont take it back because even if you are not a USA Grade School Graduate....your comments still read like it.

Reaper SorakaJan 10, 20162 votes

really? you missed the sightstone in each of my BRAND support builds? the very thing you were posting about?

It wasn't about having an epic win rate, highest damage or even my nami games, as you should've been able to tell by the filter in my link.

The only thing you've managed to reveal to people is how bitter of a person you are! And you're pretty good at looking up normal game stats on op.gg for some form of evidence to fight a case that was non-existant, at least. lol

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

u only build ss on brand once every 2 or 3 games.

The DeckownerJan 10, 20161 votes

and those games are dont in july and june 2015, and its january 2016 now, those games means nothing tbh. (hint:back in s5 ap items were much cheaper.)