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Thornmails is garbage now

The Senses Taker·2/15/2016, 11:16:46 PM·9 votes·973 views

before the adc blowout of preseason 6 thornmail got a nerf. wasn't that bad back then but now its pretty much worthless. the 15% returned is easily compensated by a single life steal item (before at 30% you needed at least two). and the bonus damage form 25% of your bonus armor is really a joke compared to the crit focused adc blasting you for 200-600 and taking a measly 30 or so damage in return. further weakening this item is the Death's Dance completely canceling the % returned and bleed furthering the pointlessness of the bonus, the maw giving adcs decent mr lowering the magic damage of the thornmail as well as giving more lifesteal to counteract it and finally phantom dancer's reduction (a dd and pd pretty much make buying thornmail a waste of money). Thornmail is not cost effective or effective at all anymore. it was the hard counter to a fed attack spd champ but now you're pretty much better of as a tank getting a hp/armor item (which there are plenty and they are nice) or some ap/ad and hope to burst said carry down faster. i realizes you guys try to run the game more towards outplays then i-by-this-item-and-now-hard-counter, but i really feel this item needs some love either in the form of alot higher bonus damage from bonus armor (say 50 instead of 25) or give t back that 30% returned and force adcs to get that extra life steal item. also if it would proc on on-hit effects (gp, fiora, ez's q) don't know it it was a bug but was recently getting hit by ez's q as rammus and if i had w on it would punish him for qing me but if no w thornmail wasn't doing anything

13 Comments

Weiner the Pooh2/16/2016, 12:13:12 AM4 votes

I honestly don't understand why you would think its ok that an item should make people kill themselves and you don't have to do anything.

weeaboomer2/15/2016, 11:19:08 PM3 votes

suree.....

[{quoted}](name=The Senses Taker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UPE42EmJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-02-15T23:16:46.370+0000)

now its pretty much worthless. the 15% returned is easily compensated by a single life steal item

sureeeeeee. oh and Rammus

Crett2/15/2016, 11:38:06 PM1 votes

If they buff thornmail it's GOING to come with nerfs to Rammus. Which is what I think should happen. It's too inaccessible on other tanks

TekkenPlayer2/16/2016, 12:20:12 AM1 votes

Tanks trying to faceroll carries again, move on.

p.s. the state of bruisers right now is just ridiculous atm.

Slack King2/16/2016, 12:32:40 AM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Senses Taker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UPE42EmJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-02-15T23:16:46.370+0000)

before the adc blowout of preseason 6 thornmail got a nerf. wasn't that bad back then but now its pretty much worthless. the 15% returned is easily compensated by a single life steal item (before at 30% you needed at least two). and the bonus damage form 25% of your bonus armor is really a joke compared to the crit focused adc blasting you for 200-600 and taking a measly 30 or so damage in return. further weakening this item is the Death's Dance completely canceling the % returned and bleed furthering the pointlessness of the bonus, the maw giving adcs decent mr lowering the magic damage of the thornmail as well as giving more lifesteal to counteract it and finally phantom dancer's reduction (a dd and pd pretty much make buying thornmail a waste of money). Thornmail is not cost effective or effective at all anymore. it was the hard counter to a fed attack spd champ but now you're pretty much better of as a tank getting a hp/armor item (which there are plenty and they are nice) or some ap/ad and hope to burst said carry down faster. i realizes you guys try to run the game more towards outplays then i-by-this-item-and-now-hard-counter, but i really feel this item needs some love either in the form of alot higher bonus damage from bonus armor (say 50 instead of 25) or give t back that 30% returned and force adcs to get that extra life steal item. also if it would proc on on-hit effects (gp, fiora, ez's q) don't know it it was a bug but was recently getting hit by ez's q as rammus and if i had w on it would punish him for qing me but if no w thornmail wasn't doing anything

Tell that to the adc that got flash engaged on by Rammus and thornmail killed them before they could click item 3140

Cherysse2/16/2016, 12:32:48 AM1 votes

I have a solution: can we make that 15% damage returned 20% and can we make the damage returned work for on-hit effects?

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb2/16/2016, 12:39:54 AM1 votes

armor is garbage now

Malhammers2/15/2016, 11:24:33 PM1 votes

Haha I love watching Rammus with thorn make the enemy AD's commit suicide....

And even if it does get negated from a single life steal item means their lifesteal item is also being negated...FORCING them to build 2 if they want the lifesteal benefits.