Thornmail now dead

The Senses Taker·2/25/2016, 8:13:05 PM·11 votes·1,240 views

i little while ago i put up a post titled "thornmail is garbage now" detailing how with the adc focus of pre-season/season 6, and especially death's dance addition and phantom dancer rework thornmail was pretty much worthless for anything but flat armor because any damage returned from the paltry 15% and the meger bonus on top of that was pretty much nonresistant with the current lifesteal items available (let alone pd's further reduction). now with the change to warlord's mastery the final nail has been driven in. life steal without an item is bad enough but up to 20%? the counter for thornmail used to be two ls items. now you don't even need one. you might as well send the ol mail off to the same land as original sword of the divine because its returned damage has gone the way of dodge nullification.

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hgjkdlsaf jeldvb2/26/2016, 7:47:04 AM5 votes

all armor items are dead. There's no spectres equivalent. Armor items are inneffective. They nerfed randuin's and frozen heart's attack speed slow, cause vayne should have no counters. Lucian somehow 1v1s a 250 armor 3k hp singed without a last whisper cause crit is god and we should all worship the all might ADC. Nothing is effective enough. I could build tabi and 5 armor/health items and still not be tanky enough for one fucking ADC.

Not to mention someone can get fed somewhere on the map and still be shut down but if an ADC gets fed, they're allowed to dominate the game. So much fun. I'll be kissing my ADCs boots from now on since they're the only one's allowed to play league of legends. I guess I could just play an ADC in whatever role I want. That's how you have fun. You play ADC. Want do do anything else? Fuck you, says riot.

Slamurai Jack2/26/2016, 6:38:17 AM4 votes

It's hilarious that you actually expect people to die from attacking you just because you have a thornmail. Lifesteal outheals thornmails damage? No shit, you still have to do some of the work yourself.

MilfHuntUnitM1T2/25/2016, 8:14:54 PM4 votes

Welcome to "League of everything does fucktons of damage and there are no health changes to counterbalance it Legends" bro.

QNjixEktAn2/25/2016, 10:18:26 PM1 votes

thornmail isn't dead is still stupid as fuck on someone like naut or sion.

Jorencice2/25/2016, 10:21:33 PM1 votes

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i little while ago i put up a post titled "thornmail is garbage now" detailing how with the adc focus of pre-season/season 6, and especially death's dance addition and phantom dancer rework thornmail was pretty much worthless for anything but flat armor because any damage returned from the paltry 15% and the meger bonus on top of that was pretty much nonresistant with the current lifesteal items available (let alone pd's further reduction). now with the change to warlord's mastery the final nail has been driven in. life steal without an item is bad enough but up to 20%? the counter for thornmail used to be two ls items. now you don't even need one. you might as well send the ol mail off to the same land as original sword of the divine because its returned damage has gone the way of dodge nullification.

Had a tahm kench last night with thornmail. He was literally unkillable.

With thornmaul dealing upwards of 1k damage if I tried to attack him.

Quepha2/25/2016, 10:32:42 PM1 votes

That ROC win tho.

5050BS2/25/2016, 10:45:47 PM1 votes

I was in a game where Aatrox was fed and I was Illaoi with ~3.5k HP, ~250 armor, ~160 MR and ~290 AD With Thornmail and the Aatrox would out last illaoi Ult with Three Tentacles an other team mates attacking him.

We had no stuns so he just autoed till everyone would be dead.

Was stupid.

Tempura King2/26/2016, 6:47:10 AM1 votes

I buy thornmail and wardens on rammus. It works.

The Senses Taker2/26/2016, 7:11:03 PM1 votes

lol ok yes just like last time with the rammus answer, so it's good on a champ that literally has it as an ability so there just might be some synergistic properties. so just cause its good on one champ lets leave it the way it is. well sword of the divine (the reworked one) was awesome on vayne and maybe xin but still over all pretty worthless and they dumped it. Secondly i don't expect it to just instantly allow any champ to kill an adc cause they got it but when you do get it (especially on a tank) with other armor and hp items and an adc still blasting the crap out of you and still gaining more hp back than the tm is doing to them it makes you ask why waste the money on this item even though the whole design behind this item for this situation. and also sure it may kill some dumb adc that built tons of damage and attack spd with no ls or % armor pen or is starved and doesn't have the build to kill you before the tanks burst and tm get them but as i said unless you're realllly dumb your probably gonna have some of those last two in your build. and to all of those "well what would we change?" well previously i said back to 30% returned or increase in bonus scaling but after some more thought i'd say probably at least 25% (like before forcing adc to get at least two ls items, making it harder to get to that 100% crit, with two ls items they pretty much can max out at 74% with two 30s and crit runes if they get last whisper too) and an increase in the armor it gives say 120-150. obviously adding in hp is dumb cause so many armor/hp items already, but more armor would make it more distinctive from frozen heart (10 armor difference is really negligible especially mid to late) which is honestly the better choice right now because of the cooldown reduction making it easier to spam damage.

EmEx2/26/2016, 7:28:40 PM1 votes

The damage of Thornmail is actually not that bad its just that armor has become almost useless. I once fought against someone with Thornmail and recieved around 500 freaking damage from it.

Asyde2/25/2016, 8:43:09 PM1 votes

Thornmail is still good on full tanks, cause it scales with armor. But not so much as an "easy counter" pick.

Earl Eulrich2/25/2016, 8:47:38 PM1 votes

sadly it´s still the only use you have as a tank lategame...stand there in the cc of your opponents peeling for their carry and at lerast hurt him a tiny little bit with the thornmail before going down in 3-5seconds still beats not hurting him at all and going down.

welcome to the league of Damage...