He doesn't even need to last hit properly to get his AP anymore. He can just blindly spam his 'q' all day and he just gets free damage. Support Veigar is literally the most retarded thing ever. He has almost no gold income, yet somehow he still manages to do as much damage as a mage/caster that goes mid.
MysterQ4 votesIf you think support veigar does the same damage as a mid veigar, your bot lane is just playing wrong.
LadyRenly3 votesseriously dude? I love new Veigar. I love getting stacks from assists, so I feel more encouraged to roam and playmake with my E and not have to try and killsteal anymore. Just participating gets me AP.
Veigar has intense mana issues, you're not reaching mid veigars level of AP anytime soon in a match. You just don't have the mana for it, or the income.
Very Hard Engage4 votesthen you didn't love veigar before
his abilities are more sluggish and less synergistic than before.
his mana issues have all been eliminated as his base costs were all massively reduced, used to be 150 at rank 1 for his ult and his E (which had a fair but just scaling cost) would take about a third of his pool basically stating 1 or 2 casts max before needing to back.
veigar is a nightmare to play because he can NOT defend himself from initiation, he has to pre load and heavily predict moreso than before (was .25s cast animation now its .75s before effect)
veigar has exactly 2 abilities, Q and R. Q is a debate, lost CD and targeting and damage but gained range. FARMING WAS NOT MADE EASIER (you auto shove wave making use of the double hit passive). R without enemy AP lost its effect on the mid lane giving him a generalist approach, but i would have preferred better scaling with damage caps in place based on champion level. missing health is not for veigar, his damage should be loaded all at once not combo oriented, i shouldn't have to finish with R.
his W base damage was nerfed making it impossible to kill minions without AP backing it, which is alright the scaling is what you want it for, but you'll literally never cast it under tower unless you want to miss all of the wave.
and if you want to solo hit minions you're either being shoved in for playing too far back and you cant auto to last hit without taking too much damage or you're in awkward positions trying to Q off to the side making you an easy gank target.
TLDR- if the enemy plays correctly and is alert, veigar has zero chance at winning in any 1v1 situation. he literally can not do it. you have to bank on your team mates to start the fight and enable you.
not saying that what he offers isn't justified or that hes too weak, hes technically strong on paper. but its not veigar that wins the game, its the team, champion choices, and how well you combo together.
Sp33d Zer01 votesOld Veigar had free regen on his passive. I remember only having mana issues on him when I spammed Q on cooldown.
Sasogwa1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sp33d Zer0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UO3aq4NE,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-05-23T04:47:27.750+0000)
Old Veigar had free regen on his passive. I remember only having mana issues on him when I spammed Q on cooldown.
His passive didn't do jack shit to compensate the fact his mana costs were insanely high. The only thing it did was allow you to have good manaregen to have Q mana cost back again when you were OOM (since it was kinda like a chalice thing, the lower mana you were the higher regen you had)
Very Hard Engage1 votesbut he gained up to 150% bonus mana regen based on how much mana regen he had built. basically if you had 25 mp5 from 1 morello, base mana regen, and runes/mastieres. that would be turned into 25 + 37.5 or 62.5 mp5, now if you factor in blue buff veigar couldn't go too low on his mana.
Sasogwa1 votesbut he gained up to 150% bonus mana regen based on how much mana regen he had built. basically if you had 25 mp5 from 1 morello, base mana regen, and runes/mastieres. that would be turned into 25 + 37.5 or 62.5 mp5, now if you factor in blue buff veigar couldn't go too low on his mana.
I liked going old chalice on Veigar. U had absolutely insane manaregen when low on mana meaning u could always farm up AP. Also it gave freaking 25 or 30 MR for like 880 g or something. Rip old chalice.
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Calabok1 votesLOL
k wìx1 votesCan't say I agree with anything you said. Vieger is in a healthy spot. His scaling is fantastic, seeing him try and fail in the support lane is healthy for the game. Almost all AP supports can burst like a mid mage now.
Sp33d Zer01 votesBecause His old Point and click Q into point and click R into instant death with an instant stun was so much more skillful.
Sarchiapon1 votesWell then, buy Veigar now and spam him to the highest rank you are capable of. Then come back and tell us to check your match history so that we will have proof that what you said is true.
