I seriously hate lux supports with a passion.

Craft Zeppelin·Dec 5, 2017·72 votes·8,158 views

They are not here to "support", hence they do not buy sightstone. I have even seen multiple occasions of them forcing ADCs to buy stone. Even as an enemy you can predict this build path and camp the hell out of them. It is boring.
High ap scaling, feast of famine. Why on earth you will even play her when zyra, brand, velkoz are available. Oh, I get it. Because she is a teenage girl. Like is there ANY justification that she perfoms ABOVE those.
Positioning. Their positioning screams "ADC you be bait I KILL. You take cc." How on earth in their minds think that this will not get abused and backfire?

Like honestly is this a tactic suitable for ranked games.

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InfernapeDec 5, 201721 votes

Lux "supports" in a nutshell (at least in my experience):

First item Doran's Ring.
Doesn't buy Sightstone
Eats every single form of poke/CC the enemy has to offer
Continually uses their abilities to take CS
Doesn't ward

notice me Sin piDec 6, 20174 votes

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First item Doran's Ring.

this inspired me to create a post regarding item 3303 vs item 1056 . https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/aVxOpE6A-dear-kill-lane-lux-supports-heres-why-you-should-use-spellthief-instead-of-doran-ring-math?comment=0004 as a supp main who is also a former lux main with 200k+ mastery on her, i suffer from cancer watching people get first item doran's ring on ANY poke support, not just lux.

chipndip1Dec 5, 201716 votes

To be fair: Most squishy supports stand either beside or behind their carries in lane. Main time you move up is when you're aggressively attacking, but Lux has really high range so she hardly has to do that, either.

Craft ZeppelinDec 5, 20171 votes

That leaves the ADC to open fire. This is a tactic that only lux supports adopt frequently due to their nature of only having straight skillshots. You CANNOT pull off a mind game playing lux. I stand at the side with a distance from my adc when I play mage supports.

chipndip1Dec 5, 201719 votes

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That leaves the ADC to open fire. This is a tactic that only lux supports adopt frequently due to their nature of only having straight skillshots.

...no. Many non-tank supports position either beside or behind their carry while laning. This is because they have shields and heals, but they're really squishy, so if their carry gets hit, they can just shield the guy, but if THEY get hit, the damage sticks longer. Also, adcs take items that help them a bit in sustain for early game items. Squishy supports don't while being squishier than marksmen. That's not a "Lux" thing.

Craft ZeppelinDec 5, 20171 votes

Ok you are a diamond 3 with 700 games of sona last year, so you surpass my experience but I want to give out a few arguments.

I do concur this is a lux thing, because there is no OTHER position she can merit from as I explained in my previous post.
Lux's shield is NOWHERE as useful as that of sona, karma or lulu. It needs a stupid amount of scaling compared to those three. I NEVER felt safe because "oh lux can shield me" when I was ADC in my 4 years of this game.
Commitance. If said adc GOT engaged, there is no way a lux can outdamage them with only 2 attacking basic skills and a flimsy shield. They even tend to be so FAR away, that they can't even proc their passive. I mean come on.

WinterwingsDec 5, 20177 votes

IDK mate, I played Lux support (ACTUAL support, with Athene's, Ardent, Redemption and Eye of the Watchers) on my Gold 2 smurf and never really had any problems with it, or had my teammates complain about it... Snatched a few honors as well for being a "great support"...

I will say tho:

Lux's shield is NOWHERE as useful as that of sona, karma or lulu. It needs a stupid amount of scaling compared to those three. I NEVER felt safe because "oh lux can shield me" when I was ADC in my 4 years of this game.

That part is simply wrong. Lux's W can shield for 150 - 330 (+60% AP) which is pretty significant however, the reason you feel this way about it is because unlike a Sona, Janna, Karma or Lulu... Lux's Shield can FAIL because its a skillshot meaning it relies on your ADC not dodging it better than they dodge enemy abilities... And it's also just a pure shield... it has no other secondary benefit unlike those others...

Craft ZeppelinDec 5, 20171 votes

That is the problem. "If you get AP" you can shield. She doesnt have a base amount.

LordGeovanniDec 5, 20179 votes

If im not wrong Lux has the highest base shield out of any mage Ps i checked it she has the highest base shield out of any champion in the game and still has decent scaling and it can potientally hit everyone on your team for the full base shield but even if it cant its the only aoe shield from a champion in the game beside Karmas Empowered E.

statelesskillerDec 5, 20171 votes

i believe orianna has the highest level 1 base shield . . . i think

LordGeovanniDec 6, 20171 votes

i implore you to remember that lux shield procs twice and increased if it hits an ally on the way out

statelesskillerDec 7, 20171 votes

oh yeah, thats a thing

chipndip1Dec 5, 20179 votes

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Ok you are a diamond 3 with 700 games of sona last year, so you surpass my experience but I want to give out a few arguments.

I do concur this is a lux thing, because there is no OTHER position she can merit from as I explained in my previous post.

As I said, this is expected. It's not just Lux that does this. Squishy supports in general stand either beside their carry or behind, unless they walk up to hit laners that are hanging back. Lux just has more range, so her walking in front happens less since she snipes. That's fine.

Lux's shield is NOWHERE as useful as that of sona, karma or lulu. It needs a stupid amount of scaling compared to those three. I NEVER felt safe because "oh lux can shield me" when I was ADC in my 4 years of this game.

If your post was "Lux support just generally sucks and I don't like it.", I'd have been typing 3 posts agreeing with you rather than disagreeing. I'm only correcting your statements on her positioning.

Commitance. If said adc GOT engaged, there is no way a lux can outdamage them with only 2 attacking basic skills and a flimsy shield. They even tend to be so FAR away, that they can't even proc their passive. I mean come on.

That just depends on how you do things. Lux, in most cases, should be wearing opponents out so they regret when they finally do land an all-in. Same goes for other squishier types of support options. You shouldn't be getting hard-engaged in the first place.

FOR JUSTICEDec 5, 20178 votes

Soraka does this too

Craft ZeppelinDec 5, 20171 votes

Soraka totally fks up a engage. And warps it to her advantage. That is a exception. Talking about mage supports here.

FOR JUSTICEDec 5, 20175 votes

Nami?

Edit: oh wait lol mage ones, how about brand? Hes usually beside or behind cause hes pretty squishy

IcyPepperDec 5, 201710 votes

I have even seen multiple occasions of them forcing ADCs to buy stone.

Now you know how supports feel.

Sightstone, whether you like it, is optional. You cannot dictate their build path, and they cannot dictate yours. It is stupid to not buy one entirely, but there are times when you can delay it.

Now if only people put as much effort into bitching about people not using their free trinkets rather than the fringe cases where someone doesn't buy sightstone.

Craft ZeppelinDec 5, 20171 votes

Try to say that in your ranked game next time. "Sightstone is optional." What will be the response from your team?

statelesskillerDec 5, 20176 votes

id imagine since im at D5 it will be something like "adc walks up to start a fight, dies because jungler is there. adc: "report inting support, doenst build sightstone"

Big Black CrocDec 5, 20172 votes

Didnt that singed support guy get banned because he didn't build sightstone?(not the main reason but part of it).

IcyPepperDec 6, 20172 votes

It wasn't exactly that. From what I recall, the guy wasn't really playing support at all. He was just playing proxy singed, or something. Sightstone didn't really have much to do with it, and the lack of it was more of a symptom than a cause.

LordGeovanniDec 5, 20178 votes

They are not here to "support", hence they do not buy sightstone. I have even seen multiple occasions of them forcing ADCs to buy stone.

Stop right there no adc is gonna buy sight stone because the support didnt buy it.

TactrixDec 5, 20177 votes

Umm I lux support all the time and I always buy a sightstone, we play her because unlike zyra, brand and vel she can 1 shot your whole team from half way across the map, you seriously sound like a bronze who's never actually played lux or even remotely undertstood how she plays.

Truly PridefulDec 5, 20177 votes

We're not all bad. I always build my Sightstone after my tier 2 gold item and often build a lot of support items like ardent censer and sometimes redemption. Almost always include grail in my build for those healing shields. I generally play very aggressively in lane and hand off kills unless I feel it's likely they'll get away. I think the problem is a lot of people picking her as a support don't really want to be playing support in the first place.

Sorry that your Lux supports have been terrible my friend.

Zed geniusDec 5, 20175 votes

If I am adc and my support picks lux, and she is not a one trick, I pick talon adc idc it's equally as viable

SamBunzlyDec 5, 20173 votes

The same can be said of Vel'Koz, Brand, and Annie. None of these three have anything more useful than one cc (with the exception of Vel and his Q's slow) yet they're all considered more viable than Lux Support. Keep in mind that most of these don't buy sightstone either, take kills, and have the same redundant build path. At Least Lux has a shield and an aoe slow, plus a Securing Ult (her ult should be used solely to secure kills the adc can't get if she supports) The issue isn't lux, its your inability to work with her. She's actually a great support if you know your lane partner.

Death by GlamourDec 5, 20173 votes

Its when they poke with e and "accidentally" take 4 mminions

Jerry SeinfeIdDec 5, 20173 votes

1 I do buy sightstone, it's one spot with your support item and even gives ap.

2 cuz i prefer playing her over Brand, Zyra, velkoz. if i wanna play brand i'll go mid 90% of the time.

3 Or you know, they can dodge shit? i always try to shield them (the one thing they do try to dodge) and if they die why shouldn't i kill the enemy?

Dream HighDec 5, 20173 votes

Keep hating my support LUx is clean with my 100% wr on it.

Sexy Jack RabbitDec 6, 20173 votes

Lux is a pubstomper.

It's not a viable tactic above Gold IV, but before that go ahead. It does a decent enough job and enables you to carry in Low Elo while playing support.

Tzuyu Is My BiasDec 6, 20172 votes

Lux support is viable in higher elo. You see high level supports like Aphromoo play her occasionally. Lux support, while having even higher pickrate in low elo, still has a higher pickrate in plat+ than half the supports.

xGunna1Dec 5, 20172 votes

zoe is good supp though

Spacesuit SpiffDec 5, 20172 votes

It was a thing long ago, before Vel and reworked Malz existed, and before Brand was enabled by spellthief. Now its mainly just people getting autofilled and not wanting to actually support.

Professor WardDec 5, 20172 votes

If i see lux picked support before i pick support that lane is lost for them 100% chance

Take ANY TANK top for late game, and throw in:

Blitz- who i dont play Thresh Naut Leona Taric

all the listed above champs will dominate her at level 2, and even harder when she returns to lane, if youre facing lux, you have to abuse her obnoxious squish levels.

Also abusing the fact that the enemy team has 0 vision killsssss them late.

SteelMankindDec 5, 20172 votes

Meanwhile ever since Riot buffed the return shield last season, her W is a stronger AOE shield than Karma R+E...

Lux support with W max and enchanter items could do work last season. Main issue with it is people stepping out of the backswing and not getting a massive shield. It probably is still fine, but people play Lux support for damage and so havent realized it

NaturesMayhemDec 5, 20172 votes

This was essentially the rise of AP supports, people who didn't want to support, but got stuck with the role anyways. Therefore, they play Lux, Brand, or any other AP supports. The players don't even play like a support, they build pure AP and act like a second mid in fights.

CrackShackDec 6, 20172 votes

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FairyfleurDec 6, 20172 votes

I thought tank supports were really meta right now..?

Tzuyu Is My BiasDec 6, 20171 votes

I dunno, Zoe support is pretty darn fun and effective is player properly.

TonyTonyMordecaiDec 6, 20172 votes

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They are not here to "support", hence they do not buy sightstone. I have even seen multiple occasions of them forcing ADCs to buy stone. Even as an enemy you can predict this build path and camp the hell out of them. It is boring.

I've bought sightstone on all the times I've played Lux support. And no, I can't force my adc to buy sightstone, that's 800 gold taken away from them buying their first item. That's mean.

High ap scaling, feast of famine. Why on earth you will even play her when zyra, brand, velkoz are available. Oh, I get it. Because she is a teenage girl. Like is there ANY justification that she perfoms ABOVE those.

Yeah, it is pretty dependent on many factors of not getting screwed over during laning phase since your job as Lux (even as support) is to deal damage, I agree with you. But honestly it's just because I think of who to play and I think, "I wanna play Lux, why not?" as well as because I'm not used to Zyra or Velkoz in the support role and I still need to practice. Star Guardian Lux is my main motivation to keep playing her, you caught me.

Positioning. Their positioning screams "ADC you be bait I KILL. You take cc." How on earth in their minds think that this will not get abused and backfire?

Like honestly is this a tactic suitable for ranked games.

Like the other guys have said, as a squishy support with a two spell combo (I'm not counting shield since that doesn't deal damage) that relies on me landing one or both of them, I need to stand at a distance that I can be safe but still be in a threatening range. Besides, if I was in the front line, my whole team would be on my ass for being that close to two enemy champs.

As a tactic, not really, there are better choices. But there are people who enjoy playing her support as opposed to mid (Support Lux clicks better with me, I don't know why)

General Esdeath Dec 6, 20172 votes

Support Lux is my one exception to the "off meta support mage" rule, because in my experience only 4 have ever gotten sightstone and supported me without being what OP described. I've had nice ones who get sightstone, but they're so bad at positioning it hurts.

Sun Wu RyuumokuDec 6, 20172 votes

I seriously hate lux with a passion.

TotalJerkDec 6, 20172 votes

The fucked up thing is how almost all of them do the exact same shit to the point where I hear this specific story and I could swear I played with the same person.

Mk2ChieftainDec 6, 20172 votes

Just gonna leave the fact that I used to Lux supp but I actually bought wards and did "Support" things. Not sure about any others Lux supports out there but my experiences differ from the OP.

DuskDaUmbreonDec 5, 20171 votes

I once did run a proper support on Lux. With proper support items.

Of course, we lost anyways. .-.

Linna ExcelDec 5, 20172 votes

I wouldn't build her support after getting your item 2301 . She needs to be built as a mage but you need the vision item since you are supporting.

Linna ExcelDec 5, 20171 votes

Lux is okay in lower elo if your team needs waveclear and shegets the eyestone.

notice me Sin piDec 5, 20171 votes

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lower elo