Balance team is doing the OPPOSITE of balancing.

Anatera·Sep 3, 2018·60 votes·14,058 views

I don't know what kind of clowns you've got on your balance team, but they don't make Riot look competent. Throwing buffs onto champs that are strong already? Nerfing ones that are weak already?

It's called BALANCING. You know, as in equal.

Balance: _an even distribution of weight enabling someone or something to remain upright and steady. _

Nothing the balance team is currently doing remotely resembles this definition, so from now on I will refer to them as the "balance" team. I feel this more accurately represents what their goals are and how they approach their "job."

51 Comments

PureGold669Sep 3, 201829 votes

Just take yasuo or master yi for example. Read the patch notes and master yi's damage reduction got buffed. Idk what they are doing nowadays

WeedlayerSep 3, 20189 votes

Yasuo and Yi aren't overpowered. Any stat website demonstrates this. The only tier Yi might be OP in is bronze, where he has about a 52.5% win rate. In plat+ he's below 50%. Yasuo only performs well in silver and bronze. In gold his win rate is about 50% and in plat+ it's closer to 49%.

The fact that yasuo and yi are taken to be OP on these boards is indicative of the average skill level of the players here. In the most polite way possible, it's not the champs, it's you.

https://u.gg/lol/champions/yasuo/build/?role=middle

https://u.gg/lol/champions/masteryi/build/?role=jungle

PureGold669Sep 4, 20182 votes

apparently, yasuo's endless dashes, shield for moving, ability that blocks all projectiles, cc that lasts for a couple seconds, and a passive that gives 40% crit chance for just a zeal is not overpowered. makes sense.

also, apparently master yi's 70% damage reduction and 55 healing per 0.5 seconds for four seconds (at max rank) w, 1.5 second untargetable that strikes four enemies, insane ms and as ultimate, and incredible true damage with his e and conqueror is not overpowered.

just look at the top left corner. I have some links for you as well!

https://gyazo.com/4e0826fac63eb806b0910787206eb04a

https://gyazo.com/5b1f048fdc9705e4d044b2dd4f34f013

WeedlayerSep 4, 20185 votes

Any champion sounds overpowered when you just list out their abilities one after another. Don't believe me? Give me a champion, I'll make them sound OP.

As for your second... "point", it's just an appeal to popularity. The primarily bronze and silver boards think a pubstomper is OP? I'm shocked. SHOCKED!

So let's get the record straight. On my side, I have statistics and objective reality. On your side you have popular opinion and a hate boner. Well, really this is a toss up.

SomeOneButNoOneSep 4, 20182 votes

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Any champion sounds overpowered when you just list out their abilities one after another. Don't believe me? Give me a champion, I'll make them sound OP.

Ivern.

WeedlayerSep 4, 20182 votes

So Ivern can just walz into the enemy jungle, spend 2 seconds setting up his passive, and smite away any camp you happen to have up. You wanted a red buff? Too bad, it's stolen. You were going to contest that scuttle? Too bad, it's already gone. This isn't even mentioning his absurd clear speed and ability to share buffs. As for his Q, it's basically a morgana bind that also gives melee champions a free jump to the target. Get nabbed by this near a melee champion? Yeah, you're dead, just accept it. His W gives him an absurd amount of objective control. Just put a couple bushes down at the entrance to dragon pit and throw down a pink/sweeper, now the enemy has to facecheck 5 people to contest.

His E? Janna shield. Oh wait, sorry, it's a Janna shield that EXPLODES, and slows enemies. This is really the core of his kit, you pick Ivern on a team with a lulu, braum, or zilean and hypercarry and there's just no possible way to kill the ADC that's running through your team 1v5. His ultimate immediately makes every fight a 5v6, and makes his already threatening objective control absurd. He doesn't even have to tank a dragon or baron, he can have daisy do it. Beyond that, you don't need minions to tower dive when daisy it up, just use it to soak the shots until everyone is in melee range.

In all seriousness, Ivern is basically like a jungle Janna. He's been legitimately pretty OP in the past when support items were overtuned, and had his niche as an ardent abuser more recently than that. I know he's not very exciting because he doesn't do a lot of damage, but shields and CC are also important contributions for a team.

BârdSep 5, 20181 votes

Ivern is hella fun, I just wish his passive didn't force him into the jungle, that it would still have some use in lanes before the 2x buffs part comes online.

RanmiakuSep 5, 20181 votes

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Yasuo and Yi aren't overpowered. Any stat website demonstrates this. The only tier Yi might be OP in is bronze, where he has about a 52.5% win rate. In plat+ he's below 50%. Yasuo only performs well in silver and bronze. In gold his win rate is about 50% and in plat+ it's closer to 49%.

The fact that yasuo and yi are taken to be OP on these boards is indicative of the average skill level of the players here. In the most polite way possible, it's not the champs, it's you.

https://u.gg/lol/champions/yasuo/build/?role=middle

https://u.gg/lol/champions/masteryi/build/?role=jungle

you do realise that their win rates are only low because so many people play them without having any idea how to right? especially yasuo who is played 20% of the time which is pretty high, especially considering he has a 43% ban rate all in platinum + those stats are even more ridiculous if you go to lower elo's

saltranSep 4, 20183 votes

Because Yi was terrrible and needed buffs so I'm glad they buffed his defense and not his offensive power.

Remove the Gameplay Boards

ChilleeSep 3, 201817 votes

but they don't make Riot look competent

The balancing team aren't the only people that make them look incompetent. Petty insults aside, Riot's balancing team has a problem with creating an issue they either solve or just leave out (Like how they created Zoe and didn't delete her afterwards). Also, GhostCrawler doesn't even play the game, so that is probably why.

saltranSep 4, 20182 votes

Ghostcrawler has nothing to do with Lol anymore since he's designing other game, find another scapegoat dear Boards member.

Can we remove the trash that is Gameplay Boards?

MyTeamWillFEEDSep 3, 20187 votes

Completely agree with this post, anyone who defies this post is a hater and ignorant.

Take Rengar for example, already insanely broken, but they decided to decrease his ult cooldown for who the fuck knows what reason

EkyonKunSep 3, 20187 votes

How about the imbalance team? I think it has a good ring to it.

Light of MadnessSep 3, 20186 votes

They just watch LC$ and fuck the other 99,999999% of their clients.

And guess what? when the 99,99999% get tired (almost everyone is getting) THERE WILL NOT BE A LC$ ANYMORE!

Death by GlamourSep 3, 20185 votes

I know that ranting about how bad balance is the FOTM badwagon that we all like to jump on.

but

Can you atleast say what you find bad about the game and how you would improve it

AnateraSep 3, 201810 votes

[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ULIychLi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-03T17:46:03.534+0000)

I know that ranting about how bad balance is the FOTM badwagon that we all like to jump on.

but

Can you atleast say what you find bad about the game and how you would improve it

Ok, I find the balance in this game bad and I would do the opposite of what they're doing right now.

Better, right?

ZephyrDrakeSep 3, 20182 votes

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Ok, I find the balance in this game bad and I would do the opposite of what they're doing right now.

Better, right?

in other words "I have nothing to complain about but want to look like the cool kids that complain about stuff"

AnateraSep 3, 20185 votes

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in other words "I have nothing to complain about but want to look like the cool kids that complain about stuff"

You're welcome to believe this. It's the internet after all. Your attempt to sound cool isn't as good though.

ZephyrDrakeSep 3, 20182 votes

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You're welcome to believe this. It's the internet after all. Your attempt to sound cool isn't as good though.

neither is yours of "just do the opposite of what they are doing!"

AnateraSep 3, 20184 votes

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neither is yours of "just do the opposite of what they are doing!"

Actually, I sounded very cool.

ZephyrDrakeSep 3, 20181 votes

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Actually, I sounded very cool.

"very cool" yeah if by very cool you meant "let's buff assassins, nerf tanks, make the game more snowbally, weaken turrets even further, buff every single damage keystone and every single assassin item in the game" then yeah you did sound "very cool"

AnateraSep 3, 20184 votes

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"very cool" yeah if by very cool you meant "let's buff assassins, nerf tanks, make the game more snowbally, weaken turrets even further, buff every single damage keystone and every single assassin item in the game" then yeah you did sound "very cool"

Sure, if that's what you want. I never said that's what I want, but I don't really feel the need to defend myself against your assumptions. I find other things far more interesting than your rather poor attempt at hyperbole. Take care.

ZephyrDrakeSep 3, 20181 votes

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Sure, if that's what you want. I never said that's what I want, but I don't really feel the need to defend myself against your assumptions. I find other things far more interesting than your rather poor attempt at hyperbole. Take care.

you literally said the OPPOSITE of what they are doing... guess what? that is the opposite of what they are doing. Oh that's not what you said now? I guess the thread is nothing but a lie then. I find others things way more interesting than your feeble attempts at trying to salvage your flawed argument that was being held by spit and hope

AnateraSep 3, 20184 votes

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you literally said the OPPOSITE of what they are doing... guess what? that is the opposite of what they are doing. Oh that's not what you said now? I guess the thread is nothing but a lie then. I find others things way more interesting than your feeble attempts at trying to salvage your flawed argument that was being held by spit and hope

Ok!

ZephyrDrakeSep 3, 20181 votes

{quoted}

Ok!

thanks for proving my point

AnateraSep 3, 20184 votes

{quoted}

thanks for proving my point

Ok!

PureGold669Sep 4, 20181 votes

Yes you did sir applause tell this fool-child off xd

Death by GlamourSep 3, 20181 votes

so buff yorik and garen?

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

AnateraSep 3, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ULIychLi,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-09-03T20:11:37.465+0000)

so buff yorik and garen?

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

That's an interestingly specific example. What I was saying is a bit more broad. And by that I mean, the whole game.

SomeOneButNoOneSep 4, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ULIychLi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-03T17:46:03.534+0000)

I know that ranting about how bad balance is the FOTM badwagon that we all like to jump on.

but

Can you atleast say what you find bad about the game and how you would improve it

Idk if he can, but I think I can. a) Remove true damage from items/runes. b) Revert Akali or introduce more counterplay to her W. c) Rework Yasuo d) Work on making Riven's kit have more weaknesses. e) Rework Conqueror completely (since it's the MAIN source of true damage in the game, making it mellee only is not good enough because it will still shred tanks, hence leave them dead in this meta wich will make damage feel overbearing because there isn't anyone to soak it in).

La BelloSep 3, 20185 votes

they dont balance champions they balance thier pocket books and bottom line.

Every decision they do is usually fueled by greed because LoL is on the Decline, They need to pay their 233403030430 workers across the globe and Tencent is the one who gives them their allowances meaning if they're not seeing green Riots getting budget cuts. Due to these circumstances Riot BLATANTLY will balance in ways that are in Their financial interest rather than the players. a few examples:

Lucian Receives a new legendary skin. Despite already doing fine comparative to a majority of other crit ADC's next patch he receives a buff Aatrox who had no player base was deemed a toxic statcheck but MasterYi who is highly popular was confirmed to be "healthy" for the game and rather got buffs despite sharing extremely similar overarching gameplay traits with old Aatrox (Gapclose with Q then go ham with your AS boost from ult and bonus on-hit damage). Garen gets like 3 buffs in a row then unexpectedly receives a Legendary skin. Darius also gets a skin but Darius has always been popular since his inception. No changes were needed to guarantee his sales. To this day Garen is still on the strong side. LeeSin who is notorious for being overwhelming snowbally yet popular gets buffs rather than the entire rest of the Junglers living in Graves and Evelynns shadow. Oh by the way we just HAPPENED to get some more Lee Sin Chroma's out of nowhere this patch....talk about coincidence huh? Zoe Riot drags thier feet to fix Zoe mysteriously until her pool party skin releases AFTER WHICH they claim they will be "investigating" ways to make Zoe more tolerable (Hold your breath for this one however because the same thing was said for Yasuo after the relaunch of ban system came in and he was 80%+ banrate) Because MonkeyKing is popular with the Chinese Riot is hesitant to do anything about him despite his current kit being terrible for the game with the excuse being that Riot wont try anything until they "have something they are confident about" (In other words this means they could just leave him be for the next 7 years because they never felt "solid" about anything despite having a gorillion workers and forums post tossing them ideas 24/7)

Need I even mention the LC$ balancing where Riot consistently screws over the gameplay to make League a more appealing spectator sport due to how much income LC$ can generate from ad's or sponsors.

There is also the fact that every new champion that comes out is kinda like a power creep mess because the bar constantly has to be raised to generate champion sale income. Free to Play model is not sustainable with balance because Riots pocketbooks are specifically tied to their ability to coerce players into spending cash. This is usually by releasing or making certain champions stronger / flashier than others.

OH ALSO all their teams are working separately game systems game balance an playtest champion design all function in their own little world which leads to these absolute messes.

Wondered why Runes Reforged was so awful or why Nexus Blitz buffs are sometime destructive to the gameplay rather than helpful (seriously who OK'd that Blessing of Caitlyn thing)? Because Game systems dont closely work with the balance team on it. They come up with random things and then toss it at the wall to see if it'll stick rather than having deep thought and mediating over what the mode needs/doesn't need and how to solve its current pain points.

Ever wonder why Champions with known overbearing kits get released and then half of the mechanics get outright removed down the line after box office day OR why echo fighters get released (Pyke is fundamentally better Blitz. Kai'Sa is fundamentally better Vayne)? Because champ design didn't work with game balance and discuss the do's and dont's of making a good healthy addition to the champion pool. There is a distinct lack of communication going on over there and its really doing more harm than good.

d9u7c1anhSep 4, 20181 votes

{quoted}

they dont balance champions they balance thier pocket books and bottom line.

Every decision they do is usually fueled by greed because LoL is on the Decline, They need to pay their 233403030430 workers across the globe and Tencent is the one who gives them their allowances meaning if they're not seeing green Riots getting budget cuts. Due to these circumstances Riot BLATANTLY will balance in ways that are in Their financial interest rather than the players. a few examples:

Receives a new legendary skin. Despite already doing fine comparative to a majority of other crit ADC's next patch he receives a buff who had no player base was deemed a toxic statcheck but who is highly popular was confirmed to be "healthy" for the game and rather got buffs despite sharing extremely similar overarching gameplay traits with old Aatrox (Gapclose with Q then go ham with your AS boost from ult and bonus on-hit damage). gets like 3 buffs in a row then unexpectedly receives a Legendary skin. Darius also gets a skin but Darius has always been popular since his inception. No changes were needed to guarantee his sales. To this day Garen is still on the strong side. who is notorious for being overwhelming snowbally yet popular gets buffs rather than the entire rest of the Junglers living in Graves and Evelynns shadow Riot drags thier feet to fix Zoe mysteriously until her pool party skin releases AFTER WHICH they claim they will be "investigating" ways to make Zoe more tolerable (Hold your breath for this one however because the same thing was said for Yasuo after the relaunch of ban system came in and he was 80%+ banrate) Because is popular with the Chinese Riot is hesitant to do anything about him despite his current being terrible for the game with the excuse being that Riot wont try anything until they "have something they are confident about" (In other words this means they could just leave him be for the next 7 years because they never felt "solid" about anything despite having a gorillion workers and forums post tossing them ideas 24/7) Need I even mention the LC$ balancing where Riot consistently screws over the gameplay to make League a more appealing spectator sport due to how much income LC$ can generate from ad's or sponsors.

There is also the fact that every new champion that comes out is kinda like a power creep mess because the bar constantly has to be raised to generate champion sale income. Free to Play model is not sustainable with balance because Riots pocketbooks are specifically tied to their ability to coerce players into spending cash. This is usually by releasing or making certain champions stronger / flashier than others.

OH ALSO all their teams are working separately game systems game balance an playtest champion design all function in their own little world which leads to these absolute messes.

Wondered why Runes Reforged was so awful or why Nexus Blitz buffs are sometime destructive to the gameplay rather than helpful ? Because Game systems dont closely work with the balance team on it. They come up with random things and then toss it at the wall to see if it'll stick rather than having deep thought and mediating over what the mode needs/doesnt need and how to solve its current players (like teamfight champions dominating)

Ever wonder why Champions with known overbearing kits get released and half of the mechanics get outright removed down the line? Because champ design didn't work with game balance and discuss the do's and dont's of making a good healthy addition to the champion pool.

There is a distinct lack of communication going on over there and its really doing more harm than good.

Wukong just get gut a patch before.

Just 4 MemesSep 3, 20184 votes

Yeah I am confused myself. Honestly been playing other games more than league. We should boycott the game, I bet if 50% of the player base went offline for a day they'd notice.

ModAcademy KaynSep 3, 20182 votes

Cause once again, for the few patches, they've been aiming their balance for Pro-play to try and get a bit more diversity going around. So, unlike the rest of the year where it's balance for us, we have to give them some time.

Last BreàthSep 3, 20182 votes

World$

D4M2X0Sep 4, 20182 votes

if some1 is doing a shit job tell them to "justify your paycheck"

2Charmnot2CharmSep 4, 20182 votes

We been calling them silver balance team for a reason.

People can say x rioter is diamond+ all they want because from the patches they been given us it's sure as hell not the work of a high elo balance team.

inFamous ZionSep 4, 20182 votes

Tryndamere in a bad state and never played in competitive and very rarely in SoloQ - gets nerfed beacause AP was played a little and AD Trynda got hit hard by increasing CD on his E. Gets a buff patches later on his base damage. HUH? What about his only escape that you hard nerfed?

Tanks were meta 4,5 seasons - get nerfed at beginning of S8 in order to end the tank meta, just few months later they get buffed again and are already largely played. HUH? Why? read bellow

Bruissers didn't have a keystone to fight tanks few months into the season 8 and were heavily abused by them until they got Conqueror, Conqueror was hard nerfed just few months after it's release and with tanks getting a buff in a meantime it only meant tanks are back in the meta.

Mages were hard nerfed in terms of their items, mana regen and doran ring. Few months later their items are slowly becoming overloaded with actives,passives,damage etc just because Riot doesn't know how to deal with it so they just add things up.

Asssassins were hard nerfed and reworked with Riot saying 'they are just unhealthy for the game and shouldnt one shot you' (literal quote from them, check it). Few months later LeBlanc is reworked and dominating again, Duskblade buffed meanwhile bringing Assassins back a little, Akali reworked and made OP, most importantly after saying assassins are unhealthy, Riot released Zoe and Kayne, champions that can one shot you while not even showing on your screen or without beeing on a map (Kayn).

Adc were unhealthy with their shielding supports and Ardent Meta, instead of hard nerfing shields and reworking certain champions (Lulu) because no matter what their kit will always be strong, they kept on gutting Adc's leaving them with no spot on the rift after Riot finally lost their minds and hard nerfed their items.

Jungle was in more than alright state so Riot hard nerfed their pathings and early pressure, after nerfing literally all lanes it made junglers op again since they are the only one that could give game breaking pressure and presence.

Hazardus duceesSep 4, 20182 votes

lmao.. hahahaha. Don't you know? League is paid to get specific champions advertised into the championships. It doesn't matter any more what the masses understand about stupidly busted champs. All they care about is getting more money as they have proven that time and time again with every new patch, nerf, buff, and alteration they have ever made. I mean. yeah, there's a clear line where they require both a buff and a nerf, but until that line is out of the question, they don't care about tweaking unless it makes them money.

AirKingNeoSep 4, 20181 votes

right now they aren't even doing anything

meta is stagnant.

ArdondSep 4, 20181 votes

It's called BALANCING. You know, as in equal.

we already know Riot doesn't know "equal".

TomiMan7Sep 4, 20182 votes

they know, only after 2:30

lolipopevelynnSep 4, 20181 votes

Normally I'm not one to protest for someone to lose their job, BUT if it makes the game better a bunch of ppl need to get fires

SpecterVonBarenSep 4, 20181 votes

Maybe... just maybe, they're working off of actual data from a first hand source rather than just off of player perception and wildly varied site statistics?

AnateraSep 4, 20181 votes

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Maybe... just maybe, they're working off of actual data from a first hand source rather than just off of player perception and wildly varied site statistics?

You're welcome to believe this.

3TWarriorSep 5, 20181 votes

even if it is based on data, data does not always tell the full story as a lot of champions are preferred weak so they are less annoying and some champions are strong but have only dedicated mains playing them, essentially mastering the champion to maintain a high winrate

SpecterVonBarenSep 5, 20181 votes

Which should have no basis on this. What's right isn't always what feels good.

3TWarriorSep 5, 20181 votes

except, what is annoying is something that is often just putting too much pressure on a situation for what it offers

also, win rates are the typical source of data but riot will not share any information about how they determine what is healthy or unhealthy and often what they define as healthy is cancerous unless the ENTIRE ROSTER HAS IT

then again, let's say that every champion has a 50% average winrate...suddenly, the very easy champions to use become meta and pub-stompers unless the player using them is incapable...

but then what, if there is no incentive to play the other champions, why wouldn't everyone play the champion that is easiest to use and win with?

they've stopped communicating with their players and are making strange choices that players literally refer to as "dartboard" decisions...

steven4547466Sep 5, 20181 votes

Trying to shape the worlds tournament, you didn't know that? They say they don't change meta on purpose it just comes with their buffs and nerfs, but because worlds is just around the corner they are trying to make it so the teams have to play specific champs to win. I'd love to see an off meta pick at worlds, or really, it's just boring to watch.