Its time volibear gets hit with the nerf bat

lolipopevelynn·May 23, 2016·2 votes·1,113 views

the guy doesnt lose lane, to anyone, period. and with the new buffs he is just way too much to deal with. i mean before he was already god tier strong in jg or in lane, but with the new ANY weaknesses he had with getting "kited" is out of the window. you cant run from him, you cant out damage him, and you cant out tank him, and the only way he will possibly die is if you get grievous wounds from or , and even then thats only if you hardcore focus him with your entire team.

he is just way too strong right now.

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TheThundersRoarMay 23, 20162 votes

Volibear main here, mostly jungle but also top. Here goes.

Facts About Volibear

His ideal combo is to wait for you to approach his minions for a last hit, then: auto - Q (into minion wave) - E - chase+auto - W as you run out of range. This combo relies largely on his minions to do a big chunk of the work while he puts you in position and slows you while it happens.
He has very high cooldowns. W is in the ballpark of 20s if not used on a monster, Q is also around 15s. Finishing his combo leaves him just his autoattacks, so he relies on intimidation and positioning while he waits.
His level 1 is very weak. Level 2 is okay, level 3 is the power spike. He needs all of his abilities to combo.
His max HP is lower at early levels, meaning his passive also heals him for less. If it's popped early, it'd much less devastating.

Counter-Picks

Good examples include: Champions that can ruin his trades (Renekton, Darius), champions that beat him naturally (Pantheon, Garen), and ranged self-peel champions (Quinn, Teemo, Ryze, Jayce). Poppy and Sion should also do just fine against him.

Note: With all the below, poke him down if you can. He has no poke. None. Squat. Zero. Just hit him. Don't die doing it though.

: If he Q, E into your minions and lay the smackdown on him. You can even use this to wall-stun if positioned well. He can't chase your W with his Q unless he gets out of position, takes way too long otherwise. Use passive and Q to safely farm if his minion wave is big. Passive's shield should also help with the trades.
: Great at picking good trades with him. If Voli Qs, W - auto - Q - auto - E out - E out, and you're good. At 50 fury, you can also **E in - auto - W (fury) - Q - auto - E out ** before he can react. You can escape his trades and engage yours with little retaliation. Q also goes in his minion wave, so you might even come out with extra HP out of it. Renekton also commonly takes ignite, which is good for Volibear's passive. Note that these combos require an experienced Renekton, so if you still rather new at him, you don't have to auto before W.
: GG easy. Harass the shit out of his weak 1-2 with Q. Once he hits his 3 spike, you also hit yours, and you dump on him. Q - W - auto - E - auto - Q, standard Pantheon stuff. Your passive even blocks his Q from doing anything. Take ignite for his passive and ult to lane.
: Bully with Q. Once he pulls you in, Q - auto - W and walk out. Once he bites and finishes his combo, E him back in and get that passive up to 5 stacks, as he can't fight back without his spells. Make him bleed. Ult also owns his passive. Ignite is also fine.
: Volibear relies on casting and the Garen Q is nice for that. You can also bully him early and have him weak by the time he's 3. Ult works against his passive. Can run ignite.
: You know the drill. Be a whore. Harass from afar. If he tries to Q in just use your dash+slow/blind/snare/knockback and walk out. Still be careful because he can still Q you if he gets close, even if you CC him or dash out. Jayce and Ryze should also be able to trade with him when played correctly.

Miscellaneous

His damage is mostly magic in a game, and in every fight where his ult is involved. Keep that in mind when building defensively.
His bite is worthless if you're not low. His Q is very weak as an escape (boosts if used towards an enemy). His passive cooldown is very long, 2 ults per passive.
is a perfect item against him. Activates with his passive, basically preventing it from ever going off, ever. I get salty whenever I see the enemy mage get this item.
Do NOT take . Not worth it. Get some actual damage to fight him. Killing Volibear requires either: Baiting passive but staying in lane through a great trade; Getting a gank and outdamaging his passive; Fighting him right after he used passive, backed/died, and came back; Using an execute and/or ignite; Or countering him hard and starting the fight at his 30.1% HP and nuking him.

Warnings

Don't focus on him too much. Farm the minions.
Farm > poke unless kill is imminent.
Don't dive when not 100% about the kill. Especially with his passive.
Don't let him Q you into tower.
Ward your lane. He's great with ganks.
Listen to MIA pings. He's great with ganks, seriously.
If you're like 100 HP and another teammate is finishing him off, seriously, back away. There's nothing more embarrassing than a Volibear smacking a minion with his ult and you dying to his chain lightning because you are too greedy.

#Most importantly, avoid feeding. He falls off. You scale harder.

The reason I prefer him in the jungle is because I can get myself fed, but in lane, you can just stay away from him.

That's about it. Good luck!

lolipopevelynnMay 23, 20161 votes

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Volibear main here, mostly jungle but also top. Here goes.

Facts About Volibear

every single one of those champs you listed is only good against him pre 6, once he hits 6 and get his first giants belt or big HP item he shits on every single one of them, especially poppy.

TheThundersRoarMay 23, 20161 votes

Poppy can ult him away when he ults. Perfect ult-for-ult. Garen and Darius have a harder power spike at 6. Teemo prevents ganks. Pantheon doesn't need a spike. The ranged ones spike less hard, but you should have an advantage by then.

Remember that these aren't perfect counters. There's no such thing. Even if you counter him, you still have to play properly. Don't try to duel an ulted Volibear head-on, for example, is simply decent overall play. Just because you're Pantheon doesn't mean you can walk in and win lanes like it's nothing.

Rand0mH3r0XMay 23, 20161 votes

You know who works really well against Volibear?

Fiora Screw the lift. You'll never get a chance to bite. Outdamaged hardcore. Matching Sustain for Sustain.

So... Volibear needs a nerf because... You couldn't do Shaco into Volibear...

Your team had insignifcant sustain, low range, not a lot of damage output, and no support. You shouldn't have won that game against Voli and his team. Please, just become a better player.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2195549937/200643178?tab=overview

lolipopevelynnMay 23, 20161 votes

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You know who works really well against Volibear?

Screw the lift. You'll never get a chance to bite. Outdamaged hardcore. Matching Sustain for Sustain.

So... Volibear needs a nerf because... You couldn't do Shaco into Volibear...

Your team had insignifcant sustain, low range, not a lot of damage output, and no support. You shouldn't have won that game against Voli and his team. Please, just become a better player.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2195549937/200643178?tab=overview

fiora stopped doing well against voli ever since her nerf. Volibear also has a 55% global winrate and a 60% winrate with people who main him.

its absolutely silly to deny how strong he is right now.

TheThundersRoarMay 23, 20161 votes

The reason he's doing so well in the jungle is because he had to compete with Devourer junglers.

And they are out of the game right now, awaiting buffs to Bloodrazor.

So naturally his winrate goes up. If you look around him on the winrate chart, you will see all sorts of tanks and AP junglers up there. All the Devourer junglers are auto-lose, so their competition just wins more often.

Could he be a little strong? Maybe. I'm biased. I main him. But the winrate can be explained by the lack of Devourer junglers.

lolipopevelynnMay 23, 20161 votes

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The reason he's doing so well in the jungle is because he had to compete with Devourer junglers.

And they are out of the game right now, awaiting buffs to Bloodrazor.

So naturally his winrate goes up. If you look around him on the winrate chart, you will see all sorts of tanks and AP junglers up there. All the Devourer junglers are auto-lose, so their competition just wins more often.

Could he be a little strong? Maybe. I'm biased. I main him. But the winrate can be explained by the lack of Devourer junglers.

i agree about dev jglers, but the problem is even when devourer was around he was still pretty damn strong, sitting at 52% winrate comfortably. now it has sky rocketed to 55% and is still rising as people learn how broken the new summoner 6 is on champs like Rammus and Volibear

TheThundersRoarMay 23, 20161 votes

I'm yet to try it myself. Ghost is nice, but flash-Q is almost necessary against mobile ADCs late game. Even if new Ghost is great, I'd still go Flash as long as those bastards Lucian and Ezreal are so popular.

Rand0mH3r0XMay 23, 20161 votes

You could always just use another Season 2 champ that has good trades. Renekton and Pantheon both have stuns and can outdamage him with very little to respond with. You have to play smarter, not just say "X" is op look at the winrate.

Maoki has similar stats, but clear weaknesses. Don't refuse to think.

hablo intalianoMay 23, 20161 votes

Always fun to 1v1 voli at top pre lvl 6 you would win but then comes the passive where you picked ignite against but it just gets overhealed by passive then he flash out. And meanwhile you get ganked 2 times (if you are lucky you survive all 0/0) then you have ignite again, try him again and he has passive again and overheals again xD

lol has so much counterplay XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD