Rengar

Dethflash·Feb 10, 2017·18 votes·1,697 views

I know rengar just got nerfed, and im not asking for him to be nerfed even more, but I just want riot to know that they failed pretty hard in making rengars game play have more counter-play during the big assassin rework. He used to one shot people in .75 of a second, but now he one shots people in .5 second. To me, that sounds like rengar rework has failed at the concept of making it so you have at least 1.5 seconds to react, but instead they made him snowball even harder, and one shot even faster. GG riot

21 Comments

ShadòwFeb 10, 201710 votes

the thing his that his counterplay lays in acting BEFORE he jumps on you.

he won't crit if you aren't marked by his Ult if you aren't his closest enemy. so being with a group or just another person already takes lot of his power away.

when he is able to jump on you while you are solo, he did his job as an assassin correctly.

so basically, when he is able to jump on you, there isn't much more you can do. you have to always consider when there is a Rengar in enemy team that he could be Ulting anytime when you don't know his position. by denying him this chance, you sucessfully counterplayed him.

but this all only applies to non hyperfed Rengars, fed he is still the same cancer.

DreadlocksFeb 10, 20178 votes

I'd say the cancer is worse now because there is less room for error. Before if you missed your Bola mid air there was a rly good chance you wouldn't get the kill because his kill potential after he landed was super weak unless he happend to land on or rly close to a bush.

now you just auto crit with way more AD and if u have hydra you can just use that mid air and burst even harder and again with less room for error. and if that doesn't kill the target, you have a ranged q now that does a lot of damage and a W that let's you remove CC when things go wrong. all of which helps you stuck to ur target better than old rengars kit. not to mention the MS you get after using an empowered ability.. so tldr, easier/less risk burst, and better stick sticking than the old rengar.

old rengars kit probably would've had most of its issues fixed with just the stealth changes... and if that wasn't enough, remove his ability to crit on his Q and balance around that. Either way, new rengar is far more of a mess to clean up..

N3mO06Feb 10, 20174 votes

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the thing his that his counterplay lays in acting BEFORE he jumps on you.

he won't crit if you aren't marked by his Ult if you aren't his closest enemy. so being with a group or just another person already takes lot of his power away.

when he is able to jump on you while you are solo, he did his job as an assassin correctly.

so basically, when he is able to jump on you, there isn't much more you can do. you have to always consider when there is a Rengar in enemy team that he could be Ulting anytime when you don't know his position. by denying him this chance, you sucessfully counterplayed him.

but this all only applies to non hyperfed Rengars, fed he is still the same cancer.

exactly. Evey hyperfed champ can dive 5 people and kill the enemy, isn't a problem with just rengar.

DreadlocksFeb 10, 20175 votes

I'd like to see riot admit this rework failed harder than shens and kogs... I would love to see my old 1 trick champ be reverted and rebalanced but I know he's probably stuck in this shitty one... sadly I moved on because the new kit just isn't as fun to me. and the mechanics required are very little.

clunky ball of stats that is only good with broken numbers.. sad but true, rip rengar 2016

XinCrinFeb 10, 20174 votes

Old rengar is arguably healthier than this rengar.

Old rengar had counter play but this new rengar removed a lot of those counter plays.

SirΤeemοFeb 10, 20172 votes

teemo used to counter him.. not anymore xD even after the nerf :p feelsbadman

MinaZer0Feb 10, 20173 votes

thats because his Q used to be auto attack reliant, now its just a spell.

SirΤeemοFeb 10, 20172 votes

not healthy spell...

idontgiveabotherFeb 11, 20172 votes

Yea its not fun being able to see the rengar, he hops and you have time to use your 1 dash then you realize that isn't even enough because for god's sake he has another fucking dash in his kit. Apparently hopping out of a bush like a kamikaze pilot and critting wasnt enough. And this all happens within <1 second

ShaydroxFeb 11, 20172 votes

The biggest issue I have with him is that they said they wanted to extend his burst pattern a bit, but they frontloaded 95% of his damage into his crit jump and the Q. I would've liked to see W and E do a little more, for example after hitting E your next autoattack does bonus damage or something that could've made his kill pattern a little more interesting. In a kill scenario he literally only uses his W or E to just get another Q ready....

DethflashFeb 11, 20171 votes

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The biggest issue I have with him is that they said they wanted to extend his burst pattern a bit, but they frontloaded 95% of his damage into his crit jump and the Q. I would've liked to see W and E do a little more, for example after hitting E your next autoattack does bonus damage or something that could've made his kill pattern a little more interesting. In a kill scenario he literally only uses his W or E to just get another Q ready....

Yeah that is a great way to actually even out rengars power, make him have to actually land his abilities. Now he is literally a face roll champion, no actual aiming required to play Rengar, just point in right direction then smash face into keyboard. I think the only good thing the rework rengar did good was making his jump from the bush be a set range and not increase.

ShaydroxFeb 11, 20171 votes

Kinda, but the other good thing of his rework imo is his Q. It's a more interesting tool than just another auto reset. But it would've been interesting as part of a total combo, rather than being the combo itself.

MFTORANK1Feb 11, 20172 votes

I have no idea how you could balance that champion, all the rengars I've seen were either super useless or they would take over the game so fast, pretty much like a khazix. He's kinda feast or famine and honestly I liked him better before but I don't play him so I can't speak from the perspective of a rengar main.

Rengar Top LaneFeb 14, 20171 votes

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I have no idea how you could balance that champion, all the rengars I've seen were either super useless or they would take over the game so fast, pretty much like a khazix. He's kinda feast or famine and honestly I liked him better before but I don't play him so I can't speak from the perspective of a rengar main.

I have no clue how reworked Rengar can be useless if he's behind. All he has to do is build bruiser and change their thought process.

DoktorKaiserFeb 10, 20171 votes

They need to stop fucking desperately trying to keep his necklace as a trinket item with that fuckton of stats on it, not to mention the snowball effect. Imagine if Viktor's hextech core was a trinket and that he could now get 6 bonus items instead of 5. He would be extremely broken right?

N3mO06Feb 10, 20175 votes

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They need to stop fucking desperately trying to keep his necklace as a trinket item with that fuckton of stats on it, not to mention the snowball effect. Imagine if Viktor's hextech core was a trinket and that he could now get 6 bonus items instead of 5. He would be extremely broken right?

Dude, 20% of 400ad is 80ad, Viktor's special item gives 180 ap and mana and special effect to his abilities.

dunder killFeb 10, 20171 votes

He used to one shot people in .75 of a second, but now he one shots people in .5 second.

Nah. He could one shot people in well under .5

N3mO06Feb 10, 20171 votes

Rengar's counterplay starts at 3000 range , the range of his ultimate mark, and not when he jumps. If he manages to jump on the marked enemy and the marked enemy is a squishy carry, then I don't see nothing wrong expecially because he brings only damage.

Mostro GalloFeb 10, 20171 votes

Yo here's a protip, how about you stop feeding the fucking Rengar

FriusFeb 11, 20171 votes

how do you oneshot in 0.5 ,if a single Q animation takes 0.3s ????

BlakiepugFeb 11, 20171 votes

The Rengar rework took a lot of the fun out of the champion in my opinion... in exchange for crazy burst just like every other champion has nowadays. Riot talks a lot about wanting to make champions feel unique from each other. Maybe the reason they are struggling to fulfill this wish is because the little kit details don't matter as much when every champion has the same crazy "I one shot you" burst built into their kit. Rengar was much more fun when he had actual mechanics before. Now he just has AD.