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To perhaps improve Jungler's perception of the New Jungle.

Azadethe·5/26/2018, 10:15:10 PM·8 votes·3,211 views

K Forumers. Hi. It's me again. The prolific Poster who remains a mystery.

As you all know.... the jungle XP rates were changed recently, along with the Scuttler.

The forum response has been overwhelmingly negative. Junglers are complaining:

-Skirmishers who can go Conquerer are dominating levels because of their ability to level 2 duel at a scuttler. -They are getting invaded by laners. -Scuttlers are not fair because of their randomness. -They are falling behind even supports in levels.

I've posted a few responses to this, both in support, and in objection of these complaints.

But...... I feel my suggestions and objections are getting mostly ignored, as players continue to make the same mistakes.

So.... I wanted to post a dedicated authored post explaining why the changes aren't as bad as some people are making them out to be.

First.... Let's look at the patch that has annoyed junglers and what they did to the XP.

REMOVEDSLOW DOWN Experience no longer reduced by 5% per level champion is ahead of the camp being taken. NEWRAID BOSS Monster camp experience now scales with level, capping at level 7. BLUE SENTINEL 180 ⇒ 115 - 180 (at levels 1-7) RED BRAMBLEBACK 180 ⇒ 115 - 180 (at levels 1-7) LARGE KRUG 125 ⇒ 100 - 157 (at levels 1-7) MEDIUM KRUG 35 ⇒ 35 - 55 (at levels 1-7) SMALL KRUG 7 ⇒ 7 - 11 (at levels 1-7) LARGE WOLF 100 ⇒ 65 - 102 (at levels 1-7) SMALL WOLVES 40 ⇒ 25 - 39 (at levels 1-7) LARGE RAZORBEAK 62 ⇒ 20 - 31 (at levels 1-7) SMALL RAZORBEAKS 35 ⇒ 19 - 30 (at levels 1-7) GROMP 200 ⇒ 115 - 180 (at levels 1-7) REMOVEDGRIMP Gromp no longer grants 37.5% reduced experience on its first clear REMOVEDFALSE START Medium Krugs, Small Krugs, and Large Razorbeak no longer grant 25% reduced experience on their first clear WHEATIES Large Krug's first clear experience reduction 50% ⇒ 30%

Scuttler: HEALTH 800-3920 (based on level) ⇒ 1200-2480 (based on level) EXPERIENCE GRANTED 10 ⇒ 115-230 (at levels 1-9) GOLD REWARD 70 ⇒ 70-140 (at levels 1-9) INITIAL SPAWN TIME 2:15 ⇒ 2:00

Jungle Item New Bonus:

NEW Large Monster killed grants 120 bonus experience

Let's break this down a little.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6DqzDKL.png[/img]

Monsters start at level 2, so every camp past level 3 receives an XP penalty on the first clear.

But..... what I want you to notice is....

  1. You can level 3 in 3 camps if you do Krugs. This means you can level 3 gank Bottom when they are probably still level 2, if you can reliably keep your HP high.

  2. If you cannot gank Bot, there is a very legitimate path to gain Level 4 to Gank a level 3 Top in your first clear.

And.... if you maintain a gank at any point in the first clear, there is enough XP to get to Level 5.

  1. Krugs are worth both more XP and more Gold than Scuttlers early game. Scuttlers are nice, but they are NOT the correct path to maximize levels or gold.

I know new jungles are sometimes hard to learn..... But I'm hoping..... maybe some people read this, test it, and suddenly are not falling behind 2 levels on their clears..... putting them perpetually behind. Kill your Krugs. They even gain XP as they level, and are the most valuable camp for XP in the game atm.

There really isn't another path that even compares to Krug's XP and gold.

21 Comments

PhDs Nuts5/26/2018, 11:12:36 PM4 votes

JuST dO KRugS BeFOrE LeVEl 3 WitHOuT LoSinG Hp Or TimE

The Yetii Rider5/26/2018, 11:00:24 PM3 votes

If you maintain a gank at any point in the first clear, there is enough XP to get to level 5

This is the problem people have.

Nocturne MasterYi Shyvana Amumu Nunu ChogathNidalee Fiddlesticks Malphite

There are many junglers who don't gank in their first clear. Those than can get a huge advantage that lets them pull ahead and stay ahead.

DW Diana5/27/2018, 11:06:36 AM3 votes

People just seem to forget that scuttle is NOT the be all and end all. Invades are far more productive then chasing scuttle spawns, And by giving up scuttle vs champions like Xin and graves, I can happily take a couple of camps off them early and path for the other scuttle (people seem to forget there are 2 at the start!). If you happen to meet the enemy jungler by scuttle at level 2 then it's pretty much a smite war, the winner gains a large amount of HP back making fighting the duelist much easily for you if you win it (I've done this on Diana against a xin and got first blood xD)

The changes have not destroyed jungle, and while some champions are currently better suited to the "chasing scuttle" style that people seem to have adopted, it hasn't changed the legitimacy of invade champions that have fast or healthy clears. Hell WW has one oft he slowest clears of all junglers, yet still seems to be considered "OP." Meanwhile Aatrox who can 1v1 WW at level 2 is apparently trash....

BestPudgeNA5/27/2018, 12:39:02 AM1 votes

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But...... I feel my suggestions and objections are getting mostly ignored, as players continue to make the same mistakes.

"as players OP Continues to make the same mistakes'

FTFY

TwinkiePro5/27/2018, 1:27:12 AM1 votes

The issue I have is that the jungle is always the one that gets the most drastic of changes.

Chawoora5/27/2018, 3:30:17 AM1 votes

I am better at Excel than I am at playing League...so I have had a spreadsheet on jungle experience that I have updated over the past few seasons. Here are some images for the patch 8.10 changes: https://imgur.com/a/e3Okpth

  • Your Razorbeaks calc is off. All camps except for Krugs gives 165 exp on their first clear. The Large Razorbeak/Raptor gives 20 Exp at at level 1, but you have 70 there.
  • Camps all spawn at level 1 now. You used to get 50 Exp on the first large monster due to the level difference, but this has been replaced with the 120 Bonus Exp for your first large monster.
  • As listed towards the top of the patch notes, there is no reduction in exp when you are over the level of the camp (your sheet seems to include a 10% penalty for level 3 camps).