So Lulu's getting nerfed, even though Thresh, Blitzcrank and Sona have higher winrates

Cloud273·May 8, 2017·2 votes·655 views

http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html

LOL

11 Comments

AhristocatsMay 8, 20174 votes

Lulu is x15 more oppressive than the 3 combined, and you list sona and gets upvoted when sona is garbage above diamond 1 LOL

All of them are not banned except blitz in bronze, lulu's ban rate is between 60 and 80% depending on days, she's insanely disgusting and lulu mains downvoting everything won't prevent lulu from being nerfed now

Cloud273May 8, 20173 votes

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Lulu is x15 more oppressive than the 3 combined, and you list sona and gets upvoted when sona is garbage above diamond 1 LOL

All of them are not banned except blitz in bronze, lulu's ban rate is between 60 and 80% depending on days, she's insanely disgusting and lulu mains downvoting everything won't prevent lulu from being nerfed now

Sona, Blitzcrank, and Thresh have a higher win rate than Lulu in almost every tier/division/whatever. Your move kid.

https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

AhristocatsMay 8, 20174 votes

i'm not the kid here so you need to stay down for a second here son

Sona is straight up garbage above diamond 1 i don't give a fuck about win rate i don't give a fuck about korea

Lulu is permabanned and permabanned champions get nerfed

this is the rule of the jungle

Cloud273May 8, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Janna X RubicK,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U8EAATzl,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-05-08T18:59:48.544+0000)

i'm not the kid here so you need to stay down for a second here son

Sona is straight up garbage above diamond 1 i don't give a fuck about win rate i don't give a fuck about korea

Lulu is permabanned and permabanned champions get nerfed

this is the rule of the jungle

Stop spewing this "garbage above diamond 1" nonsense, cuz we all know you're full of sh*t. And whether you like it or not, win rate actually does matter. Ban rate not so much. It's not a good way to measure champion health. Lee Sin is banned constantly, but Riot never nerfs him because they know he's pretty balanced.

AhristocatsMay 8, 20172 votes

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Stop spewing this "garbage above diamond 1" nonsense, cuz we all know you're full of sh*t.

l m ao

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And whether you like it or not, win rate actually does matter

it matters as much as how the brain of someone can be literally smaller than my finger leblanc had her silence removed while having 44% win rate

no one gives a shit about win rate except imbeciles

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Ban rate not so much.

in bronze it doesn't in high elo it does because we're clever and ban what is broken

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It's not a good way to measure champion health. Lee Sin is banned constantly

lee sin is never ever banned in high elo

MysterQMay 8, 20171 votes

Except Low ELO also exists, in fact almost if not more of the community is low ELO. Except winrate and pickrate should matter. Every region should matter to some extent. Or none of your argument matters at all.

RexxieeMay 8, 20175 votes

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Lulu is x15 more oppressive than the 3 combined, and you list sona and gets upvoted when sona is garbage above diamond 1 LOL

All of them are not banned except blitz in bronze, lulu's ban rate is between 60 and 80% depending on days, she's insanely disgusting and lulu mains downvoting everything won't prevent lulu from being nerfed now

Have you tried ardent rush on sona (after sightstone/ap support item etc)? Ardent into whatever you want to build (like lich if you're ahead and want damage, locket if you're getting focused, etc).

No other support can proc ardent as easily and to her whole team with no downtime like sona can, its just gamebreaking on a siege or a dragon fight as long as you dont instantly die (with good positioning).

It seems pretty good, i dont think sona is as bad atm since her competition kind of got nerfed and she has mostly good lanes aside from blitz (who ppl dont play as mch anymore).

AhristocatsMay 8, 20172 votes

Yeah it's good because in solo queue ardent is superior to redemption and solari and i always rush it on janna

The problem isn't her items it's how her whole laning phase revolves around cheesing and people not knowing that she deals less damage than every supports numerically while having 325 base ms+ low range+no escape once they know this they will start to bully you as any adc+sup that are relevant in early game

this is why no one plays sona in high elo, you can see some sona sometimes but you won't see a lot of sona because once support mains play 2 or 3 games of sona they realise this quickly and die a lot of time against experienced players

ForgiveColourMay 8, 20173 votes

Yeah lets ignore the banrate

Cloud273May 8, 20172 votes

I also forgot to mention that Thresh is played almost twice as much as Lulu. I guess this champ truly is immune to nerfs.

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend

Dianna LeveretMay 18, 20171 votes

I agree about Thresh and Blitz to some extent. A good Thresh player with his overloaded kit can win against any lulu player and really carry his team with constant roaming and end game hooks and peel and even damage. And a Blitzcrank is complete cheese, even in higher elos. Those two champs - especially Blitz, are made to tilt you, with their unfair hitboxes and how they make you stay scared below your turret... I'm not exactly a Lulu main, even tho i have highest master rate on her, but she isn't as oppressive as people think. Force her to put shield on adc, rather than poking you and then youll have easier time. A competent Nami or Karma are far more serious threat, than a Lulu. Lulu is only good, because of sudden rise of assassins and melee top laners, who she counters with polymorph and also because she synergises well with attack speed adc's - who are meta currently. She is and was always the same in the past and no one found her OP 2 months ago - when she even got several buffs to passive... So please.. About Sona ? Was it serious ? I find her the weakest 'pure' support in the game currently, she has the lowest damage out of all 'pure' supports, except Janna, is extreme mana hungry, her sustain is nonexistent and she is heavy item reliant - thus gold reliant.. IF behind even with a single death, it could be the end of her for the rest of the game.