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Sahn Uzal··53 votes·2,958 views

Dynamic Queue may be a flawed system. Or just straight up shit in the eyes of a lot of players (be it a vocal minority or not, they're still players with a voice that should be respected)

But the thing that a lot of players seem to forget is that the old Solo Queue system was very flawed aswell! Which is why Riot decided to replace it in the first place! I mean, come on... Let's be honest. Entering a room with 3 people yelling ''Mid or AFK'' was not very pleasant, and Dynamic Queue did lower that number by A TON.

Now I'm not gonna tell you Dynamic Queue in it's current state is better than Solo Queue. I'm not gonna tell you Riot is perfect in everything they do. (Rioters are humans, just like us. We make mistakes, they make mistakes. (I mean, Deep Terror Gangplank is still not a thing so... c:)) I'm not gonna tell you you shouldn't be upset about the situation, because they did fuck up. But I will SUGGEST you to atleast give them a chance to get their shit straight and fix it!

Riot is trying to make Dynamic Queue a better system, and if we have certain desires from the system, we should give Riot the feedback they need! The system is flawed, but it doesn't have to stay as flawed as it is.

Just my 2 cents, feel free to keep complaining about Solo Queue, you have every right to. But I don't think you'll achieve anything with it. Feedback, be it positive or Negative can make a difference.

EDIT: Ok Ok Ok I forgot new Champ select =/= Dynamic Q, My bad. Now please stop commenting about it ;-; https://media1.giphy.com/media/N2rLxtwaU9rBC/200.gif

65 Comments

Void Nargacuga22 votes

We just need to make sure it's constructive criticism. Not: "This is bullshit!" Criticism.

Marshbouy7 votes

try telling the front page that, seriously, cant we try to be better than animals?

Silver Fluffenbu1 votes

but it is

Void Nargacuga2 votes

Yeah this is constructive and I agreed with Tidal.

Zone of Endless14 votes

People keep confusing new champ select with Dynamic Q.

Dynamic Q is the ability to go into ranked with premades 3/4/5

New champ select is cool and that can stay.

EndlessSorcerer12 votes

I mean, come on... Let's be honest. Entering a room with 3 people yelling ''Mid or AFK'' was not very pleasant, and Dynamic Queue did lower that number by A TON.

Champions Select is independent of dynamic queue and solo-queue.

There is no reason that we couldn't have the same role selection without allowing premade groups.

Br4ndon9 votes

The same 100 people are gonna keep shit posting instead of making a mega thread to make a constructive plea or suggestions to riot. Theyre gonna keep threatening Riot and "quiting". Until Riot changes somethign else and they go completely berserk over.

There is no point in trying to argue with them, just downvote and dont reply. Unless it's an actual thought out argument with constructive criticism or feedback.

Leetri2 votes

Out of all this I've seen only 1 single thought out post, literally everything else have been pure garbage. It's no wonder Riot won't try to talk with the community if all they do is go apeshit when Riot doesn't do exactly what they want.

Saianna3 votes

instead of making a mega thread to make a constructive plea or suggestions to riot.

Those have been made in THOUSANDS

We are past time of constructive criticism. What's worse, there was no dialog between us to begin with to point our opinions. So... yeah... No.

Br4ndon1 votes

The few threads I've read that were constructive and well written usually die within a few hours. The threats, insults and quitting threads are the ones that last a few days.

I honestly like DQ as both solo queuer and when i want to queue with friends. I've played probably around 50-60 solo games this season and not once was i verbally abused by my team or bullied into things. I've even given up my role more than a few times because how kind they were about wanting mid or ADC.

For Carthage6 votes

Well, since you got the difference between new champ select and dynamic queue, then here's the other thing:

When the season started and Dynamic Queue was released, Riot said a dedicated solo queue, meaning not even duos would be there. That was a big thing that a lot of us actually were pleased with the idea for and were legitimately excited for. Duos were known to typically separate themselves from the rest of the team and be in their own little world - they'd treat each other as the only capable ones and would basically only focus on each other. Even on the rare occasions I duo'd (and tended to treat it as a normal solo experience, just kind of working as I went instead of with plans to gank my friend or otherwise), I was astonished when my friend (a Diamond 1 smurf he said, and he played well) told me that I shouldn't give blue to an Ahri in one of my games because she couldn't be relied on.

... But they were trying to raise up just as much as I was, and they were doing well. We were a team. I wanted us to work together.

So even on the inside I could see where duos would intentionally separate themselves from others. We actually won that game, though no, not solely because of the Ahri, but she was actually relevant because I tried as hard as I could to keep her relevant. The fact that Riot doesn't think that team experiences can come from a dedicated Solo-Queue is reason enough to get upset at them, and proof of this is enough to say "What the hell is the point of Dynamic Queue then?"

Sahn Uzal2 votes

So share the things you loved about the old system with Riot, and share the things you dislike about the new system! In my thread, I made sure everyone understood that I'm not trying to claim Dynamic Queue is not a flawed system! But us giving actual feedback can make it a good system, while just spreading hate and ''Bring back soloQ'' won't accomplish anything. If that's what you decide to do, go ahead. But I have sharded my 2 cents :p

For Carthage2 votes

I literally have.

I can show you after I screenshot it on my other OS. It's actually pretty fucking absurd.

TheRealBaz5 votes

the mid or afk is not dynamic q but rather new champ select

Dextix LT3 votes

Yea, but soloq was a less flawed system that could have been fixed.

Now we have a more flawed system that could be fixed.

So, why exactly do we need dynamiq if its more flawed and harder to fix than solo?

Why do we need a system that throws ranked integrity out of the window?

For a promise promise of a fix from a company that constantly lies to its customers?

And again. just like many other dynamic q defenders YOU HAVE NO IDEA what you are talking about! MIstaking the que with the cchamp select! It just seems stupid for me that those who defend dynamic q dont even know what the hell they are talking about.

Sahn Uzal3 votes

You are insulting me for not knowing what I'm talking about, while claiming I'm defending dynamic Q. If you actually read my post you would've known I'm not defending Dynamic Queue at all.

And if you just wanted to braindead complain about things like a fucking moron, go ahead, waste your time.

Dextix LT1 votes

Yes, i am braindead despite already giving 1000 reasons why dynamic is bad in other threads.

Want to hear a secret? Riot doesnt care.

The same happened with mordekaiser and his changes. Many constructive threads. Nothing happened.

And i have read what your wrote. Your main argument is that they are going to fix this system.

And you start by critisizing soloq by giving a problem that was ffixed by champ select not by dynamic.

Dynamic as a system is far worse than soloq. Soloq was not perfect and was flawed, but it was better than dynamicq. And it would have been far easier to fix soloq than dynamicq.

Sahn Uzal2 votes

And i have read what your wrote. Your main argument is that they are going to fix this system.

I said you might achieve something by giving Riot feedback. I never claimed ''Riot is going to fix the system.''

YJRBqwXJcS3 votes

all they had to do was give us roll selection and the new champ select

the dynamic queue part was unnecessary

FrozenShogun2 votes

I'm glad someone finally said something like this...

Lazypeon1002 votes

I'm fine if they don't go back to solo queue. Their current system is bad though and has discouraged me from playing with my friends, which was riot's intended goal. They want us to play with friends, yet they removed ranked teams where I actually played with friends!

Those friends I played with had all sorts of different skill levels. Didn't matter. We enjoyed playing together, learning as a team and slowly getting better as a team Now? I can't even play with half of them due to rating difference, and I don't want to play with the others cause playing as group will effect my own personal rating I worked so hard on solo.

Silo players and group players playing together ruins the competitive nature of the game. I don't care if we get solo queue back, I want them to fix the competitive issues and not dick me over for WANTING TO PLAY WITH FRIENDS.

It's so frustrating >_<.

Sahn Uzal2 votes

Honestly, the removal of Ranked Teams 5v5 saddened me aswell.. My Friends and I loved playing as a team versus another team, some of us even took the ''SwHc'' tag in our player names (I recently name changed from SwHc Fenris to Tidal Tyrant) The thing is that the group of people I used to play ranked team with varies from bronze to diamond.... So yeah, I feel your frustration :p

Erdamon2 votes

Well, I do see your point, and I do agree that old Q had some pretty glaring issues (back when there was no restriction who you could bring into duoQ it was pure hell when I was a silver scrub at the time), but then... you've used the worst example that you could...

I mean, come on... Let's be honest. Entering a room with 3 people yelling ''Mid or AFK'' was not very pleasant, and Dynamic Queue did lower that number by A TON.

Champion Select =/= Matchmaking system, why are people still getting it wrong?

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Oh my god this is actually the first time I got it wrong... That's quite a facepalm moment for me... T_T

Erdamon1 votes

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/we-all-make-mistakes.gif?w=620&h=248&crop=1

eastcoastblaze2 votes

YOU CAN HAVE THE ROLE SELECTION IN SOLO QUEUE. DYNAMIC QUEUE IS ALLOWI G PEOPLE TO PLAY RANKED IN PREMADES

AATTRROOXX2 votes

Your complaints against soloqueue are not against the queueing system, but against the champion select and role decision.

The new champion select is good. The dynamic queueing system is flawed fundamentally and deserves to be replaced.

Bear Gauntlets2 votes

Don't you know? Whatever replaces a flawed system that's been in place for a while has to be ABSOLUTELY PERFECT from day one otherwise it's a complete failure.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

The guy who replied to your comment doesn't even seem to know what my post was about.... I guess that tells us enough...

BluePolarizer2 votes

The "mid or AFK" problem is solved by new champ select.

New champ select is not dynamic queue.

Why are you mixing the issues?

Jari2 votes

I don't know what to say, so I'll make a shitcomment about you thinking DQ is Champ select even though you get it /s

But in seriousness, it does feel like the larger queue'd group has too much control.

Dominick Destine2 votes

I mean, come on... Let's be honest. Entering a room with 3 people yelling ''Mid or AFK'' was not very pleasant, and Dynamic Queue did lower that number by A TON

Champion select update and dynamic queue are not the same thing.

Epic fail.

Daen2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U25E02Ru,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-06-01T18:49:25.519+0000)

But the thing that a lot of players seem to forget is that the old Solo Queue system was very flawed aswell! Which is why Riot decided to replace it in the first place! I mean, come on... Let&#039;s be honest. Entering a room with 3 people yelling &#039;&#039;Mid or AFK&#039;&#039; was not very pleasant, and Dynamic Queue did lower that number by A TON.

I'm aware you resolved this mistake, but you listed this as your only positive to what Dynamic Queue has achieved. Since that's not the case, as you've agreed, what positives have come from Dynamic Queue?

LatetotheRace2 votes

"EDIT: Ok Ok Ok I forgot new Champ select =/= Dynamic Q, My bad. Now please stop commenting about it ;-;" With this your entire argument really went down the toilet.

If they made pure solo Q, that matched players by their ranks alone (I.E. bronze 3, silver 1, gold 4 etc.) then everyone would shift to where they actually need to be. Sorry you're stuck in bronze, but it's not acceptable for your plat friend to drag you up to high silver - low gold.

Sahn Uzal3 votes

But with my arguement going down though, all the complains about long queue times and what not are going down aswell. If I understand it right, the only complains against dynamic Q right now are: -People don't like being matched with 4 premades. -People don't like playing vs a coördinated 5 man-team -Boosting/the value of climbing going down

The first 2 are very occasional, and IMO acceptable. The boosting and the fact that climbing in Ranked loses its value is a problem though IMO

LatetotheRace3 votes

It's interesting because the previous Queue really didn't have of a problem with queue times, boosting, or premades. Whereas boosting happened, it wasn't as likely or prevalent as it is today. They've decided to add the ability to play with friends (interesting how they don't say teammates) in ranked, which in it of itself sounds like a bad way to describe ranked. DQ cannot ever live up to the expectations because of people. Now solo, or duo etc, but people in general. The matchmaking is garbage, and the games are generally unfair. Queue times are higher, and people are making bank by boosting.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

The queue times are higher because of the new champion select buddy :/

The Queen Viper2 votes

Not really... it's a combination of:

  • The fact that there are not enough players for not-so-popular roles.

  • and the fact that premades are harder to balance properly.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

The old system: Throw 5 random available people in a room. The new system: Find 5 players to throw in a room, but each of them only selects 2 roles, so it's a lot harder to get a team together

Since me and my duo partner can't select the exact 2 same roles, Premades being involved will situationall increase or Lower the queue time.

Silent Reaper2 votes

It's not about the champion select it's about the type of queue. If you want to play with friends, or casual do Normals or 5v5 ranked Otherwise do Solo Q. The system wasn't flawed at all.

The only thing "dynamic queue" was suppose to fix was role selection, but they decided to fuck everyone up and piss everyone off in the process.

Marasenna2 votes

I agree so much with this as a whole.

You have a great point that people need to rather than just say 'This is bullshit' or 'Fuck you' or any other variety of statements and rants that have nothing constructive to give Riot? Give Riot feedback. Explain the flaws that you as a player see in the current system. Provide examples of poor experiences you have had. Offer Riot suggestions on things you feel might improve the current Dynamic Queue system.

Because by not offering them any of that? It just comes off as whining because you didn't get what you want.

Serika Zero2 votes

Look, another person that things the new champion select = dynamic Q Such a genius ;)

Sahn Uzal3 votes

Thinks*

Serika Zero2 votes

look, another gramma nazi you should hang out with my ex, you 2 would be perfect for each other

Sahn Uzal3 votes

Spelling* And no, I'm fine without your right hand ;)

Serpents Embrace1 votes

Team Builder aside (since the Edit), the problems with Dynamic Queue are probably a bit worse, in a way.

Overall, there really isn't much of a difference. Most games are unaffected. I think the main problem that gets to a lot of people is the BAD games are just SO MUCH MORE BAD.

In Solo Queue, you'd have a bad game with a player who just griefed or acted stupid, trolled you etc. whatever. That can still happen but with DQ, it's often a premade of them when it happens and it just adds on the feeling of being ganged up on.

That's really my only observation on them so far.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Riot is trying to make Dynamic Queue a better system, and if we have certain desires from the system, we should give Riot the feedback they need!

According to them I have 2 minute long queue times on average. According to the in-build timer it's never below 5 minutes and closer to 20 on average in Gold.

What kind of feedback I can give them, if they are fundamentally wrong whenever they open their mouth or press "Post" button and immune to feedback that isn't convenient for them?

Remember that "Over 50% of people prefer Dynamic Queue." to question "Do you think Dynamic queue will be a good addition to the game?" was their excuse for removal of Solo Queue.

dragon1xx1 votes

But the thing that a lot of players seem to forget is that the old Solo Queue system was very flawed aswell! Which is why Riot decided to replace it in the first place! I mean, come on... Let&#039;s be honest. Entering a room with 3 people yelling &#039;&#039;Mid or AFK&#039;&#039; was not very pleasant, and Dynamic Queue did lower that number by A TON.

I'm so glad I started playing ranked after this happened.

Papa Slothy1 votes

i would be totally fine if they just banned 4 player q's (i don't wanna get bullied)

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