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Why's Morgana the only one allowed to have a minimum 2, maximum 3 second snare?

Seenan··3 votes·1,021 views

They nerfed Rammus taunt and Fiddle's fear a long time ago because they were both 3 seconds long (iirc), but somehow one of the strongest snares if not the strongest snare in League is also attached to a +90% AP ratio..300 damage nuke, along with being attached to a champ that can't be disabled if black shield is available...And in fact, even rewards her for anyone chasing her because of her kit.

She can use FQC, Q you, soil, then slow/stun you with her misleading circular radius of an ult. And if she's full AP, you're probably just flatout dead on the Q/W/maybe first chain attach on her ult. Q basically anyone while your team is around, similar to Blitzcrank, and they die. Hitbox issues can get pretty silly on this disable from what I remember as well. And all she, once again, has to do is land a Q. Do I honestly need to buy Tenacity boots on an adc just to lower it to...2.1 seconds? Still higher than Swain's maximum snare without Tenacity.

29 Comments

KyroRayne8 votes

Because those are POINT AND CLICK. Morg's is a skillshot. A slow moving skillshot at that.

A Basic Island1 votes

that's the most retarded argument one can ever make

In alot of cases skill shots are simply better

Quepha6 votes

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that's the most retarded argument one can ever make

In alot of cases skill shots are simply better

Are you trying to make a joke?

KyroRayne6 votes

No.. the most retarded argument is "Your mom". As far as your reply, unless you're a smurf or got permabanned and had to make a new account, you don't know enough about the game.

Skill shots are better in most cases EXCEPT CC. You can point and click to drop cc on who you want through minions, over a wall (with vision), pretty much whenever you want if they're in range, and it is 100% Garen-teed to hit. It might get absorbed by a spell shield, but a tank can't get hit for you like with a skill shot.

Your lack of this simple concept is understandable, but your response just shows your immaturity.

A Basic Island1 votes

ofc this is an account smurf, my main got banned for whatever stupid reason meddler gave me. Saying something insenitive about our good buddy tryndamere (the champion) when it's like his literal nickname

If we are to assume her ability would maintain the ridiculous range it has now, sure it'd 100% be better as a targetable ability. But we know a targetted ability with that long of a range would never exist even in the olden days. It's allowed to have it's very high range due to being a skill shot. Most every other point and click cc that's ever been in the game, the champion has to walk into range of just about every other range champion in the game. If morgana got brought down to where this was a thing she'd get blown up every time she tried to Q

Another reason i say a skill shot is simply better, you can play the poke game with it. You can fire into a brush you don't have vision. I can "spam" the ability

If morganas Q was changed to a t and click with a more realistic range i think it'd be a nerf overall

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

If morganas Q was changed to a t and click with a more realistic range i think it'd be a nerf overall

Enemies could no longer hide behind minions and you could ensure that they are stuck within her Tormented Soil for most of its duration.

While some mages would be able to out-range her, she would absolutely crush pretty much any melee champion during laning phase and retain most of her utility late-game.

Making her Q targeted would only nerf her ability to catch targets during sieges or without vision. For the purposes of laning and peel, it would be a massive buff.

A Basic Island1 votes

that is very true and i got no argument against her being a much better peeler

idk, i just feel so insanely gimped whenever i play a champ with only targetted abilities.

3TWarrior1 votes

yet by those same standards, the champions who have targeted crowd control have to be within auto attack range of you to guarantee their crowd control or else burn their flash and most of the builds used to provide damage are squishy enough to be counter attacked or even disengaged (alistar, Janna, nautilus, heck, even a blitzcrank would love it if either opponent were foolish enough to get into his range...

KyroRayne1 votes

That's the trade off. Guaranteed hit within a short range or more likely miss with a skillshot the farther away the enemy is.

Alistar has point and click CC and is an engage/disengage displacement champ Janna has a skillshot knockup and ult knock back and is a disengage displacement champ Naut is just a CC tank. Point and click, AA, skillshot engage displacement champ

What is one thing that they all have in common though? Their CC abilities have long CDs.

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

what would be the point of skillshots if point and clicks were as good or better than them

Slythion5 votes
  1. item 3139
  2. It's also one of the slowest moving projectiles in the game
  3. Early damage is laughable
  4. High mana costs
  5. Slow af
  6. Her entire kit is revolved on keeping targets from moving too much
  7. Did I mention her Q is easy to dodge?
  8. Most of her dmg comes from her W, not Q
  9. Immobile mage

And even with all these flaws, she is one of the most balanced champions in the game with a decent amount of counterplay if you know her kit

Athenes Lulu2 votes

Idk, why is Lulu allowed to have a 2.25 second polymorph? So OP, it's even point and click too!

KyroRayne1 votes

That one is allowed because you're still mobile, albeit slower, but you still have the mobility to move away from them. It's more of a silence that covers AA as well rather than a snare.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

I mean, Lulu's polymorph cast range isn't that far, 650 is a little short if you are extremely squishy (since most Lulu players go full squish build).

Morgana's little VU actually made her particle "easier" to dodge because... huzzah for clarity! At least the hitbox isn't lying to us this time.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Rammus' E and Fiddlesticks' Q were both targeted and prevented the target from using abilities.

Morgana's Q is a slow-moving skillshot which does not prevent the usage of abilities (with the exception of movement abilities). It is also blocked by minions.

RocketRelm1 votes

TahmKench

As a Morgana Main, I can say this guy made my life living hell when he was a popular pick. Her Q keystones her entire kit together.

MudintheWater1 votes

Same, except if you're fast enough you can deal most of your damage and ult. The secind proc can finish them off inside Tahm and there isn't anything he can do about it. Also I love it when I ult a tahm then he eats me and while I'm in him my ult kills him or his teammates.

Zarkkast1 votes

To be fair, her snare, apart from LeBlanc and Rengar who are assassins, is the only one in the game that is COMPLETELY denied by standing behind a minion.

I do not think her snare is unbalanced.

AttackOnTeemos1 votes

If you get hit by a Q by morgana late game, you should be reported for Afk. Yes she hurts, but people fail to understand that Spell Shield doesn't block Physical like Lux.

Akasuisei1 votes

If you can't hide behind minions, then yes YOU need to buy those boots. Same thing with Blitz, you hit stand behind minions and it's not an issue.

Also, mercurial scim on an ADC should mean GG for any enemies with slows or stuns.

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

Karma's lasts for 3.25 seconds.

Banana Nations1 votes

Well instead you could buy this fabulous item called Quick silver sash that pretty much makes her unable to do anything to you D:.

Seenan1 votes

Seeing a lot of people saying 'just buy QSS' when the fact of the matter is, even if I buy one, she has another ready in that low mid/late game cd. Not to mention since I can't QSS other people and no one in low elo effectively uses Mikael's, it's dumb as hell to deal with. The range of basically a Caitlyn Q with a faster cast and a snare.

DrNova2 votes

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Seeing a lot of people saying 'just buy QSS' when the fact of the matter is, even if I buy one, she has another ready in that low mid/late game cd. Not to mention since I can't QSS other people and no one in low elo effectively uses Mikael's, it's dumb as hell to deal with. The range of basically a Caitlyn Q with a faster cast and a snare.

If you are getting hit by morg Q's so often that quicksilver sash isn't working, then you seriously need to work on your positioning.

Seenan1 votes

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If you are getting hit by morg Q's so often that quicksilver sash isn't working, then you seriously need to work on your positioning.

It's sincerely not hard for her to use her speed boots and even FQC to outrun me and get an easy snare.

3TWarrior1 votes

I don't really mind Morgana. With her, it's "i'm gonna die!"

it's lux I worry about...she isn't seen much as support now but she gets so much and she wasn't nerfed the same way Swain was. Against lux, "oh fiery gates no, my ADC is going to die too!"

seriously, they nerfed swain of all champs when lux can do the same thing swain can even better...the only difference is that she's not a sustain mage yet she's allowed such "powerful" crowd control

MysticDreams121 votes
  1. Slow moving projectile.
  2. High mana costs
  3. It only hits one person, unlike Lux who hits 2 people for 2 seconds, or even Zyra, who can root more than 2 but only for a lousy maximum 1. 75 seconds- to summarize, since she only can root one person, it's for a longer duration.
  4. Wide hitbox, easily blocked by minions.
  5. High mobility champions can easily dash around and make her miss, therefore leaving her vulnerable.
  6. Can be easily cleansed with QSS or Zhonya's, especially if none of the rest of her team has CC.
  7. Just read the rest of the other people who are arguing against your stupid post and...

finally, 8) Stop QQing about a champion who is in a BALANCED STATE.

Good Lord.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

D3m37r11 votes

It's slow af and is blocked by minions. That is why she is not played mid because unless the enemy laner is retarded ,it will never hit

Primaquarius1 votes

Because its essentially her only form of damage pre-6 since you can only really zone targets with E

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