So..Why did Thornmail ever lose the % damage redirection?

Freeza with an I·2/16/2020, 8:00:12 AM·3 votes·1,322 views

Like, I can't see a reason to remove it. It makes it so it punishes people for trying to build this if they're not a full tank, and it just makes it work way better with two champs. Like 25 + 10% bonus armor is literally pitiful. Most champions will heal more than that through grievous wounds. Make it a scaling like 10-50 + 10% damage taken from auto attacks or keep it as 25 and then add the 10% damage taken I'm sick of buying this item and it only being good for grievous wounds.

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Knight SoIaire 2/16/2020, 1:13:56 PM2 votes

as an adc main i realy hate what they did with those changes

in the past thornmail was a dedicated anti adc item... it wasnt good vs other classes that much so it was bought when adc's were a real problem for enemies

now thornmail is still an anti adc item... but it is no longer specialized... most people take it just because they can or because they need a bramble vest for healing reduction

in the past you could negate thornmail somewhat with 2 lifesteal items... it was a tradeoff where you lost some damage but it was a choice... nowadays thornmail reduces healing so you cannot actualy ccounter it in any way

ironicaly adc's were stronger when thornmail countered them better.

The entire team2/16/2020, 8:11:18 AM1 votes

It’s sort of like why they changed Veigar ultimate to be based on doing more damage the lower % of the target’s missing health, rather than the amount of AP his target has. Punishing players who build straight up damage stats isn’t really healthy. It makes that specific class become obsolete, all because of one item.

Sure you can build lifesteal, an item that counters an item, which is dumb. However, it would be like the “true armour against true damage” argument: build more lifesteal, build more armour, etc. Besides, old Thornmail is useless, because new Thornmail grants health, an attack speed slow, and Grievous Wounds, which Is MUCH more better.

2gudaiya2/16/2020, 11:01:16 AM1 votes

because it worked too well with tabi's and randuin's, and the zed and yasuo main's didn't like that they actually had to think about where to insert their champion into teamcomps. so that got removed.

Posui Gart2/16/2020, 1:00:15 PM1 votes

It turned out killing yourself by hitting enemy tank is not really healthy considering ADCs are supposed to be the main anti-tank damage role. GW are basically a replacement for %damage taken(-40% to lifesteal is equal to returning 8% damage taken as true damage if enemy has item 3072 only), it wouldn't kill you by itself, but it also isn't negated with a single lifesteal item

MrFawknSunshine2/16/2020, 7:05:30 PM1 votes

if you find yourself in a game where you need a item 3075 it shouldnt be your only armor item. the item is way more efficient when paired with other armor items.