How the hell do you counter Jax?

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He always feels so shitty to play against, somehow he gets one kill and he spirals out of control. Even when I'm a CC tank that can lock him down for my team, he simply jumps away and presses W on our ADC once and they're instantly dead. I don't really even know what I'm supposed to do in that situation since he's super tanky, super mobile, and can hyper burst like Pyke :/

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Pandemic Punch13 votes

Run into the enemy base and let the laser kill you before he does.

Jamaree12 votes

Ranged damage dealers like Kennen, Gnar, and Vlad are good against him.

Champions that can take his burst well and are just as good as dueling or punish him for being close like Garen, Renekton, and Illaoi.

Freeza with an I11 votes

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Ranged damage dealers like Kennen, Gnar, and Vlad are good against him.

Champions that can take his burst well and are just as good as dueling or punish him for being close like Garen, Renekton, and Illaoi.

Is there any good supports for stopping him from one shotting my ADC with no recourse?

Jimmy Rustles20 votes

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Is there any good supports for stopping him from one shotting my ADC with no recourse?

Poppy, 3 ways to stop him

Freeza with an I11 votes

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Poppy, 3 ways to stop him

Is Poppy still a good support?

Jimmy Rustles14 votes

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Is Poppy still a good support?

She's more of a counter support

If enemy had a dashy ADC/support, she can basically shut them down

If it's something like Soraka or a poke one, not so great

Dr Endeavor4 votes

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Is Poppy still a good support?

It’s fun to pick Poppy into Thresh. When people try to use his lantern...it counts as a dash..... mwahahahaha

Jamaree9 votes

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Is there any good supports for stopping him from one shotting my ADC with no recourse?

Alistar, Janna, Lulu, Karma, supports that are good at disengaging.

Kazekiba2 votes

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Alistar, Janna, Lulu, Karma, supports that are good at disengaging.

Idk if Lulu is a good suggestion...

Jamaree5 votes

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Idk if Lulu is a good suggestion...

What is wrong with Lulu, she has her poly, her shield, her slow, and her knock up? How is that not good?

Kazekiba1 votes

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Is there any good supports for stopping him from one shotting my ADC with no recourse?

Sona provides a debuff to soften his DPS, a haste and a shield to escape Jaxs chase. Remember he cant Q if theres nothing in range(W is just his auto reset. Leap Strike is on Q)

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Does sona`s auto debuff even go through when he has his counter attack up?

Aatrox Airlines1 votes

Pretty sore he dodges it, like garen q silence, voli q flip etc

Tahminatrix 1 votes

According to the votes apparently he doesn`t dodge it.

WoonStruck2 votes

Sona doesn't work very well because his Q is on a 3.5 second CD late game, he has high base movement speed on top of TF, phage passive, and whatever his team offers. Plus item 3161 lowers his Q CD even further.

If you're just running from him, that's not going to win you the fight.

3TWarrior2 votes

this needs to be phrased as "ranged ability damage dealers"

auto attack ranged champions are out of luck unless they're Vayne or machine-gun Lulu

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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Ranged damage dealers like Kennen, Gnar, and Vlad are good against him.

Champions that can take his burst well and are just as good as dueling or punish him for being close like Garen, Renekton, and Illaoi.

Garen will never beat a conqueror jax mid/late. Neither will illaoi if jax has a brain and rushes bramble vest to gut the healing from her ult. Renekton is good to shut him down early but i feel like fiora is a much better counter and if dueling him out is not your goal, shen is also really good against him in TF.

Jax is just emblematic of what's wrong with right click damage heavy champs. Autoattack champs are walking stat checks and feel especially shitty when they get mobility and cc on top of it. that's the same reason people hate yasuo, but at least he has to land Q's.

Jamaree1 votes

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Garen will never beat a conqueror jax mid/late. Neither will illaoi if jax has a brain and rushes bramble vest to gut the healing from her ult. Renekton is good to shut him down early but i feel like fiora is a much better counter and if dueling him out is not your goal, shen is also really good against him in TF.

It isn't about beating him late game, he is the best duelist in the game bar none. The point is beating him early and snowballing your advantage.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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It isn't about beating him late game, he is the best duelist in the game bar none. The point is beating him early and snowballing your advantage.

But neither of those are strong early either. Garen is one of the weakest early game top laners, and Illaoi is not a champ until lv6. If you wanna cheese early, might as well grab Fiora for lv2 cheese or even something like Aatrox/Renekton will do a much better job.

Jamaree1 votes

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But neither of those are strong early either. Garen is one of the weakest early game top laners, and Illaoi is not a champ until lv6. If you wanna cheese early, might as well grab Fiora for lv2 cheese or even something like Aatrox/Renekton will do a much better job.

Garen is weak early...what?

As for the Illaoi part, she doesn't hit her power spike, but her kit does fluctuate being able to beat him, IF she can land her E and now take free harass.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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Garen is weak early...what?

As for the Illaoi part, she doesn't hit her power spike, but her kit does fluctuate being able to beat him, IF she can land her E and now take free harass.

Yes, he's weak early. He loses every single extended trade against a conqueror user, his cooldowns are humongous early, and he has no in combat sustain. His whole point is to scale up his passive, and his E is garbage and an actual DPS loss single target and around minions until several points in it.

With Illaoi, all you need to do when she pulls out your spirit is get on her face and fight her, sidestepping the tentacle smashes, which most champs like jax/riven/irelia have ease doing, and jax's counterattack also reduces the smash damage since it's an aoe spell.

Just look at the highest rated NA challenger Illaoi, Dirty Mobs. He has to play like a complete pussy until lv6 all the time. Illaoi lives and dies by her ult on top of a spirit. That's why she is in such a bad state. Against opponents who trim her tentacles and don't make a point to facetank her W tentacles, she gets bursted to death in top lane.

Look at Dirtymobs matches against Revenge's Riven and Irelia, dragoonsmash's Darius or even TFblade's Jax. He gets rocked.

C9 Scott6 votes

I'm going to attempt to explain this to you, although considering you asked a question and shot down every counter you were suggested, I might be wasting my time. If any Jax one shots you with W, check his build, because he must have six Deathcaps. This is literally impossible. The base damage on his W is very low, requiring him to build AP to even use it efficiently. He's also not naturally tanky, and has to build tank if he wants to be, meaning he will not be one-shotting anyone. If he chooses to build full damage, use your CC efficiently and use abilities to do as much damage as you can so that he can't block it with E. Don't get close to him if you can help it, poke champions or champions that can easily disengage destroy him. Bait out his E, disengage, then reengage with your team. Kill him easily and quickly. On a side note, his early game is fucking awful and he has a very hard time dealing with ranged champions in lane.

Tim From Work3 votes

Qw triforce proc and possibly a hydra auto does a considerable amount of damage in relatively no time, he doesn’t need ap to make his w effective and his ult gives him tank stats for building damage and his build includes a lot of hp to supplement this armor and mr, I do agree with your points on how to counter him tho and he is beatable

C9 Scott3 votes

I exaggerated some of my points a bit because the OP did as well. He made it sound as if Jax is literally able to one-shot ADCs with W, which is not the case. Due to the low CD it's still effective, but not for one-shots. As for the ult, he gains no health and, assuming he's building AD, gains very little MR. AP and True Damage can get through to him, especially if his E is down.

Tim From Work2 votes

Yeah I agree with that I was just saying he does have considerable burst and tankiness

NaughtyWord6 votes

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He always feels so shitty to play against, somehow he gets one kill and he spirals out of control. Even when I'm a CC tank that can lock him down for my team, he simply jumps away and presses W on our ADC once and they're instantly dead. I don't really even know what I'm supposed to do in that situation since he's super tanky, super mobile, and can hyper burst like Pyke :/

Rammus +item 3075 usually does the trick for me.

The God Devil4 votes

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Rammus +item 3075 usually does the trick for me.

Not even gonna lie, I enjoy playing Rammus top against Jax. He literally cannot do anything. Then again, I just may be playing against trash Jaxes (Jaxi? Jaxs? Jacks?). But yeah, Rammus can shut him down early and mid, and can at least be a strong barrier late game as a properly timed Rammus Q can stop Jax's.

NaughtyWord2 votes

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Not even gonna lie, I enjoy playing Rammus top against Jax. He literally cannot do anything. Then again, I just may be playing against trash Jaxes (Jaxi? Jaxs? Jacks?). But yeah, Rammus can shut him down early and mid, and can at least be a strong barrier late game as a properly timed Rammus Q can stop Jax's.

Yup being an auto-attack based champion hitting Rammus sucks for a solid 5 seconds then you can Q away to disengage. Combine Rammus + item 3076 +item 3091 and a lot of bruisers like Jax can't do a damn thing about you.

Aatrox Airlines1 votes

Jaxes

Aatroxes

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General Esdeath 5 votes

"Ban him" -Riot

Soul Dealer4 votes

Play freaking malphite. As someone who has 1 mil points on Jax and 400k on malphite I can tell you that if you are good enough Jax will never win vs a good tank malphite player. Malphite is the best counter to him. Build some armor and max e first and Jax will crumple under your 50% attack speed slow.

Romans VI XXIII4 votes

Simple. You cant.

ModCaliCoastReplay4 votes

Don't feed him. Don't basic into his counterstance. Don't play squishies, or if you do, keep a respectable distance. Build at least a tiny bit of armor - working towards a item 3110 is a great choice.

As others have noted, Jax feasts only on untanky champions unless he's really fed. He's pretty bad against tanks and juggernauts - if he can't take off 50-60% of someone's health with a combo and get them afraid enough to run away without a counter-trade he doesn't have much else to work with, against tanks and semitanks where the combo only hits for a third or so he'll often be running away himself in short order.

Garen Darius Urgot Illaoi Poppy Taric Nasus Ornn Mordekaiser Malphite MaokaiChogath all have solid lane phases against him as toplaners.

I'm not a great source as far as countering him in the jungle goes as I'm a toplane main, but Hecarim Rammus seem like great choices there.

Corded reformed1 votes

Nasus solid laning phase vs Jax? Jax can stack his passive on minions and cheese nasus trying to get the stack with level 1 E and drop his health a bit. i think that Jax stands a chance vs nasus in laning phase since nasus focuses his main source of damage on minions in order to stack, the big dog is a threat to Jax if he gets TF or FH and sheen earlier than Jax. Urgot is also a skill matchup during early, illaoi too, mordekaiser as well, depends on jax player whether he can dodge their Es and Qs. jax also does not really mind safe farming under his turret or freezing the lane there.

ModCaliCoastReplay2 votes

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Nasus solid laning phase vs Jax? Jax can stack his passive on minions and cheese nasus trying to get the stack with level 1 E and drop his health a bit. i think that Jax stands a chance vs nasus in laning phase since nasus focuses his main source of damage on minions in order to stack, the big dog is a threat to Jax if he gets TF or FH and sheen earlier than Jax. Urgot is also a skill matchup during early, illaoi too, mordekaiser as well, depends on jax player whether he can dodge their Es and Qs. jax also does not really mind safe farming under his turret or freezing the lane there.

My current opinion is that if you don't have a decent lane phase with Nasus versus Jax, you're doing it wrong.

Remember, Nasus has 12% innate lifesteal. So you can trade, then go back and waveclear and heal up, and Jax has no innate sustain at all. And even if he tries to jump on you, Wither is a thing.

I will admit that I am not qualified to say what happens at, say, Challenger level in this matchup. Maybe a really serious pro Jax can indeed hard-snooker a stacking Nasus, counterstrike every Q attempt, win all the trades, and get on his item 3078 early enough to go to town.

But in most solo queue games, seriously, Nasus ought to be just fine.

FioraWillCarry2 votes

I ban Nasus when I play Jax and if I seriously intend to counter Jax in lane, I pick Nasus or Fiora. Both champions shit on him in lane hard when played right.

Finders Keepers4 votes

Yuumi

Sodeb Lacudomite4 votes

The most OP skill of Jax is his E. Counter Strike EFFECT RADIUS: 300 COST: 50 / 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 MANA COOLDOWN: 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 / 8 Counter Strike ACTIVE: Jax enters Evasion, a defensive stance, for up to 2 seconds, causing all basic attacks against him to miss. Jax also takes 25% reduced damage from all champion area of effect abilities. After 1 second, Jax can reactivate to end it immediately.

with some CDR, the cooldown is 4 seconds, that is, only 2 seconds off since it lasts 2 seconds. he is 2 sec on E, 2 sec off, 2 sec on, etc.

Not only you can't aa him, but also he takes 25% reduce damage from AOE, and he stuns + damage you at the end.

So I guess in theory, to counter him, you need to 1. not be a aa reliant champion and 2. not do AOE spell, but single target spell.

Also, I guess you need to have some range + an escape in case he jump+stun you.

Which champion is spell reliant, from decent range, and got some escape? I guess Vladimir can use Q + sanguine pool if being dived. if you're looking for a support... maybe Alistar ? he can Q, W, E, and R to tank for a while if needed Lulu can turn him into an inoffensive rabbit Poppy can R him, or push him away, or stop his jump Janna can R, or bump him, or slow him Fiddlesticks can instant fear

I agree Jax is OP.

Glîtchy3 votes

Casters are especially good against him, like Vlad, Rumble, Veigar, Ahri, Rammus (because of thornmail + his defense booster), and Vayne kinda works if used correctly, Fizz is also really good.

Aatrox Airlines1 votes

Jax kinda annihilates vayne if hes not a brainlet, fizz cant really kill him after jax gets some hp items and rammus isnt a caster

Glîtchy1 votes

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Jax kinda annihilates vayne if hes not a brainlet, fizz cant really kill him after jax gets some hp items and rammus isnt a caster

That’s why I said if done right she can win, like if she shoves him away during his dodge, which doesn’t block that ability

Corded reformed3 votes

Malphite with frozen heart makes him miserable, poppy should make him miserable, nasus with frozen heart until super late game (5 and 6 items), fiora (skill matchup, fiora misses W she dies, fiora parries E jax dies, even in late game but remember fiora has worse teamfighting ability at any stage of the game) rammus with thromail and frozen heart, vayne if she hits her stun and kites well, cassiopeia if she manages to hit W and has R up just in case.

Vlada Cut3 votes

Vayne Only Vayne has the tools in late game to delete Jax in pure 1v1's specifically. E stun to knock Jax back immedaetly after his E Q combo, has silverbolts to shred through his Ult's bonus armor, has 2 second Q's and Upgraded Passive from R for constant mobility and self peeling against Jax's item 3078 movement speed, and has Stealth from her Ultimate to make sure Jax get's the fuck out of her face if he gap closes her. Also, Attack Speed for spamming her Silverbolts, which item 3124 makes it spammable even faster, it also makers her non Silverbolt auto's shred through Jax's defenses with it's double pen alongside with PTA and item 3153. Boom, just learn how to play Vayne and Jax will simply Jax Off.

DoktorKaiser3 votes

There is always a bigger cancer. Play Fiora Riven Vayne

Support Position2 votes

summoner 3 summoner 1 summoner 4 item 3140 item 3157

Doesnt work? Well then you dont

Aatrox Airlines1 votes

Cleanse/qss are next to pointless cause his stun duration isnt that long

If you flash away, he flashes after you or just qs

Other than that, i agree

Support Position1 votes

Nothing works against Jax. 1 second your dead. We need an item that gives 3 seconds immunity to all cc tbh :/

5050BS2 votes

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Jack Eron2 votes

When he is your enemy as toplaner, any ranged mages with CC will do the job. I usually use veigar against him. He counters only my basic attacks, but all of my dmg comes from spells, with wild burst. When i see that he wants to jump, i just use my E around myself, so it will protect me. In early i can simply farm under my turret, even if miss minions, i will be stronger anyways because every minions i kill with Q will make me stronger, while this effect obviously wont work on jax.

Supports against him: Janna: knock up with Q, knock back with ult. Poppy: counters his jump, knock back twice.

preternatural2 votes

you counter jax by playing the game better than him.

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