can we partially remove the cap on garens w passive?

Critmaster Garen·Jan 30, 2016·2 votes·342 views

like, when he hits 30 reistances, he only gains the .25 stacks from cannon minions, super minions and champion kills.

i want to know how it feels

9 Comments

WoonStruckJan 30, 20161 votes

He'd probably take a few small nerfs to compensate.

You sure? Either that or they'd lower the soft cap even more.

GirardJan 30, 20161 votes

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Critmaster GarenJan 30, 20161 votes

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Why should Garen get more armor and magic resist for doing the same thing (csing) as every other champion?

is this a serious question? you might aswell ask why should Sion ? why should Veigar get ap? why should Thresh get armor and ad? theyre just lasthitting aswell (thresh just has to sit there without even csing).

its just how stack passives work.

the impact wouldnt be too crazy by the way if you do the math, there shouldnt be more than like a couple armor and mr by super lategame. its unlikely that he would ever break 40 points with this.

to gain 10 additional points would already require killing 40 cannon minions/super minions/champions past 25 minutes. how long are games going that this would realistically happen if you dont even have much time to farm during teamfight phases anymore?

LadyRenlyJan 30, 20161 votes

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is this a serious question? you might aswell ask why should ? why should get ap? why should get armor and ad? theyre just lasthitting aswell (thresh just has to sit there without even csing).

its just how stack passives work.

the impact wouldnt be too crazy by the way if you do the math, there shouldnt be more than like a couple armor and mr by super lategame. its unlikely that he would ever break 40 points with this.

to gain 10 additional points would already require killing 40 cannon minions/super minions/champions past 25 minutes. how long are games going that this would realistically happen if you dont even have much time to farm during teamfight phases anymore?

You can't really compare those guys, infinite scaling is just something those guys do, his w passive isn't supposed to be something integral to his kit like veigars q or sions...whatever

LadyRenlyJan 30, 20161 votes

sure, but what do you want nerfed in exchange? garen is ridiculous, no way should he ever be buffed under any circumstance in his current state

Critmaster GarenJan 30, 20161 votes

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sure, but what do you want nerfed in exchange? garen is ridiculous, no way should he ever be buffed under any circumstance in his current state

thats your subjective opinion. objectively he sits at almost perfectly 50% winrate right now. hes nowhere near ridiculous or too strong.

this would be something that only affects him very late game. most games dont even last that long. it would be more of a cool gimmick.

DehitayJan 30, 20161 votes

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is this a serious question? you might aswell ask why should ? why should get ap? why should get armor and ad? theyre just lasthitting aswell (thresh just has to sit there without even csing).

I seem to be one of few people who think those guys actually should have a cap.

Critmaster GarenJan 30, 20161 votes

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I seem to be one of few people who think those guys actually should have a cap.

the thing with stack passives is, that in theory they sound crazy because they have infinite scaling. realistically there is a limit to how big they can actually get.

a game usually ends by 40 minutes. the highest possible ive seen was 1 hour games, that happen once in a millenium when the stars align. and definitely not this season with the increased minion snowballing.

during this time period there is a limited number of minions spawning.

and while changing garens w to a soft cap sounds crazy at first, having possibly 5 to 10 points of armor/mr more when the game ends somewhere at 40 minutes (average game length right now is 30 minutes) will not break the champion.