It's actually not possible to dodge it without mobility in your kit if he throws it directly at you, and I mean this literally, not figuratively.
You need something like 450 movement speed to be able to get out of it's way before it attaches, unless you're beyond 1300 range (which is only really possible for Xerath and Ziggs, and it's still guaranteed to land if he Q's through a minion to get close).
Hayaishi57 votesCounterplay for assassin? It goes against Riot's policy.
D357R0Y3R5 votesyou're the most funny dude i've ever seen on the boards talking about counterplay when varus's ult is undodgeable since 6 years now
kappacherino
Hayaishi28 votesyou're the most funny dude i've ever seen on the boards talking about counterplay when varus's ult is undodgeable since 6 years now
kappacherino
Pretty sure Varus doesn't 100-0 you at level 6 with no items because he hit his ult.
Get out.
PhantomPrankster5 votesPretty sure Varus doesn't 100-0 you at level 6 with no items because he hit his ult.
Get out.
level 6 with no items means you didn't farm or purchase anything you people are so fucking dramatic when it comes to fizz lol
i will say though his ult should be the standard size it starts off as and not evolving into the gigantic AOE nuke
Starcraft243ver8 votesHe means that you didnt go back before level 6. That's not so unusual.
Fízz v23 votesyeah dude varus the adc doesnt oneshot you like fizz the assassin with no ranged spells to poke or farm, get out omegalul
D357R0Y3R4 votesno he doesn't you just happen to be rooted for 2 seconds at the mercy of any burst in a 5v5 scenario
hehehe
very fun, i wonder why varus is pick/ban in pro and has been a fucking pain in the ass in high elo since his release
but then, fizz dono, you will see soon how low elo players are going to come and talk about varus burst while forgetting the 5v5 scenario
Also, Varus ult has 100% ap ratio but no burst
OMEGALUL
Fízz v21 votesvery fun, i wonder why varus is pick/ban in pro
I really wanna see if they pick Fizz in 8.15 pro, but idk if they are gonna hotfix 53-54% win rate fizz lel
meanwhile https://puu.sh/B8L8B/0095bcdddd.webm 2 basically undodgable spells WITHOUT duskblade, but fizz ult is almost undodgable, thats the problem hehe
IainG107 votesJust because one champ is more problematic doesn't mean another isn't to some serious level as well....
taleofsonata3 votesCounterplay for assassin? It goes against Riot's policy.
Adding counterplay for assassins? Thats what happened to the assassins rework which then ended in unviability in assassins.
koshkyra39 votesSome guy named fizz v2 will come here and defend fizz at any co- nvm he's already commented something dumb.
HP Crookshanks28 votesYou can build 
to dodge his ult but then he one shots you with his basic abilities. [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Starcraft243ver1 votesBuild a banshee as well ;)
HP Crookshanks3 votesBut I need mana too [sg-soraka]
0 Hogapu2 votesyeah building zhonya is like so terrible. You dont benefit from armor and the CD is so long anyway (plus you'll never have it up at level 6 vs fizz, which is were he snowballs the most)
KFCeytron20 votesBut if Fizz misses his ult, look how screwed he is!
Thefrostyviking8 votesThat video, is exactly my problem with Fizz.
From a extremely early point he can just throw his ult out to zone you or whatever, or close range it for all he cares and then jump on your face any murder you near instantly with literally as much counterplay as a person without Zhonya has vs Zed.
And half that time Fizz is untargetable with his E, as if the damage wasnt nasty enough.
Hells people are complaining about new Akali being cancerous for some reason and im just sitting here thinking that her E doesnt make her untargetable which in turn makes it hella telegraphed.
Her passive needs her to move back from you giving you a chance to kite.
And her ult combo has a delay too, smoke doesnt make her invulnerable either.
Then while people are flaming that we have Fizz jumping around 100-0'ing squishies while throwing his ult at his team for the lolz.
"Fizz not OP man, look at the statistics".
That is what people are saying about Zoe too.......
theChibiTina5 votesThat video, is exactly my problem with Fizz.
From a extremely early point he can just throw his ult out to zone you or whatever, or close range it for all he cares and then jump on your face any murder you near instantly with literally as much counterplay as a person without Zhonya has vs Zed.
And half that time Fizz is untargetable with his E, as if the damage wasnt nasty enough.
Hells people are complaining about new Akali being cancerous for some reason and im just sitting here thinking that her E doesnt make her untargetable which in turn makes it hella telegraphed.
Her passive needs her to move back from you giving you a chance to kite.
And her ult combo has a delay too, smoke doesnt make her invulnerable either.
Then while people are flaming that we have Fizz jumping around 100-0'ing squishies while throwing his ult at his team for the lolz.
"Fizz not OP man, look at the statistics".
That is what people are saying about Zoe too.......
At least Zoe's skillshots are easier to dodge unless she hits you point blank. I have dodged plenty of Zoe e's and Q's. I can't dodge Fizz to save my life. Literally. I go to dodge to the side of ult and it still hits me because the hitbox is ridiculous.
Thefrostyviking2 votesSame for me, but i have managed to juke it by playing very paranoid around it kinda making it easier for fizz to miss it.
But even then i still get instakilled because he takes the chance when im running to the side to gapclose and just wreck my face with nothing i can do to stop him.
Then i die being unable to trade back because fizz things.
Its dirty as hell <.<
KazaJhodo1 votesBut if Fizz misses his ult, look how screwed he is!
Too bad the only way he missed is if he fucks up.
Eye Of Terror8 votesIt's actually not possible to dodge it without mobility in your kit if he throws it directly at you, and I mean this literally, not figuratively.
You need something like 450 movement speed to be able to get out of it's way before it attaches, unless you're beyond 1300 range (which is only really possible for Xerath and Ziggs, and it's still guaranteed to land if he Q's through a minion to get close).
Picking Xerath into Fizz is equivalent to inting.
Signed, Xerath main.
Fízz v25 votesso fizz ult is hard to dodge without mobility... like almost all skillshots in the game lul
Yenn23 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TlyqOZog,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-06T01:41:59.618+0000)
so fizz ult is hard to dodge without mobility... like almost all skillshots in the game lul
It's not hard to dodge, it's impossible to dodge. Even if you react instantly when he throws it, there is no direction you can move in that will prevent you from getting hit.
If you're missing your ults on immobile champions and think it's just 'hard' to dodge, it's because you're bad; there is nothing the target can do to get out of it's way in time, unless they have high mobility. The majority of times a Fizz ult doesn't land, it's because Fizz missed and not because the opponent dodged it.
Most other skill shots in the game can easily be side stepped at max range. Fizz's ult cannot; you can't even run backwards from it if you're within 1300 range of him.
Fízz v25 votesor.. fizz ult didnt hit because they oppenent predicted it and moved before he threw it? Like how you have to "dodge" most skillshots in this game because they move too fast/have a too big hitbox.
RyzeTheSmurfMage18 votesYou would defend Fizz no matter what. His ult hitbox is ridicolous that's the truth.
Fízz v21 votesThe hitbox is supposed to be big because he has to throw it from so far away and it flies so slowly. Its still not as fked up as Ashe ult or Blitz hook
RyzeTheSmurfMage9 votesIt flies slowly my a**. In lane that ult is imposible to dodge if you aren't Xerath Vel'Koz or Ziggs and even then it's almost imposible. That hitbox is ridicolous but of course you would rather hide behind a winrate and defend everything no matter what. Guess what winrate doesn't show how frustrating a champ is to play against.
Fízz v22 votesmeanwhile ryze W 2 second root cant be dodged either OMEGALUL
RyzeTheSmurfMage12 votesRyze's W needs to be empowered by his E first in order to last 2 seconds, and by that you sacrifice your damage from empowered Q. Ryze doesn't have 3 dashes, one of which is an invunerability for Fizz, Ryze doesn't have a combat ult with insane hitbox and instakill potential. In fact Ryze doesn't have a combat ult at all this is the reason his normal abilities are stronger when empowered.
Fízz v22 votesStill no counterplay tho [poppy-wink]
RyzeTheSmurfMage5 votesThe counterplay is to go all in after his W goes out. If a Ryze uses E before W in early then half of his damage from the combo is gone. E W Q is used more of an escape. Also tenacity. Try to cast your dash before he casts his W If you are an assasin. Don't stay near low health or E marked minions. If you are marked by his E then stay behind your full health minions, they will block Ryze's primary damage source aka his Q.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesDoesn't matter when the jungler kills you in the 2 second root window. The reason Malz and Ryze have been problems in high elo besides their damage is because they are LITERALLY free kills for their jungler by simply clicking on people. It doesn't matter if Ryze HIMSELF doesn't do damage when the jungler can walk up and kick your teeth in during the root.
FattyDrake3 votesIf you hate it so much, just ban him. Everyone gets a ban now.
Illabethe2 votesHere's an idea..... Play Mobility..... Dashes work too.
IainG102 votesThe problem is that Fizz (and all the hypermobile melees like him) have completely invalidated the other traditional Mid class, the immobile Mages. There are too many of them to blanket ban, so currently, if you have to pick before your lane opponent, you CANNOT pick a Mage (well, you can, but good luck not feeding.....). Fizz and his ilk have far too many options for laying down a enough damage to kill an opponent outside of reaction time, whilst also having enough mobility to lane safely against just about anything with less CC than Leona....
Illabethe2 votes
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All have anti Fizz kits :S.
The Highest Noon2 votes
All have anti Fizz kits :S.
maybe, no, yes, no, no, no, yes, yes, no.
If you're a champ that can die in one combo, you are not anti-fizz.
I say maybe but I'm leaning towards "No" with ahri.
Illabethe2 votesDude the entire point of laning Fizz is to AVOID him and counterpunch.
Ahri can avoid him, and throw Charms at his post fall, and save 2 charges of R to either run away or kill him.
Akali can E out of an impending R, and Smoke screen eliminating his trident damage as well.
Karma literally butt stomps Fizz. If you can't figure this one out..... let me spell it out: Move speed dodges R AND W, W allows her to outduel him on cooldown, and Q is saved for post Playful and nukes him. If you're finding this hard, 
makes it like going to kindergarten.
Katarina sets up daggers away from an objective ult, and if it's a turret dive, can even ward Wraiths and Shunpo over the wall safe. She has a TON of counters.
LeBlanc Dominates Fizz. Deception out of path of both R and W, and then tether him. Bye Bye Fizz.
Zyra..... You don't think Zyra counters Fizz? you Obviously haven't seen me play. You know exactly where he's going to land, and can block his R. Set up a Nuke trap for where he's going to be, and even better.... pretend to be afk or a bad player. Wait for him to blow his and then blow yours. Flash if you have to.
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Illabethe1 votesTell me oh wise one. What can a Fizz do to prevent me from dodging him when I have 670 move speed, or when I have a dash that I've saved specifically to avoid him and any position he can turn to make Trickster hit.
Please tell me oh wise one.
What you basically said is.... "I can't win my argument, so I'm bowing out."
The Highest Noon1 votesWhat you basically said is.... "I can't win my argument, so I'm bowing out."
No, I'm bowing out because you're presenting yourself as a selfish player that thinks a mobafire guide is enough to decide whether or not a champ counters another champ.
So, yeah. Leaving you to that.
Illabethe1 votesNo. I use actual experience. Mobafire's good for one thing: Giving new players a framework to generally use when going into a new champ lol.
Fizz is gutter trash when you play correctly versus him.
KazaJhodo2 votesNo. I use actual experience. Mobafire's good for one thing: Giving new players a framework to generally use when going into a new champ lol.
Fizz is gutter trash when you play correctly versus him.
There is truth to that. To correctly play against a fizz you need a strong early, preferably ranged. Don't let him touch the wave and poke the shit out of him while he can't do much.
Although, with dmg the way it is, even if you do that I have a feeling hes still going to one combo someone midgame.
The Highest Noon1 votesNo. I use actual experience. Mobafire's good for one thing: Giving new players a framework to generally use when going into a new champ lol.
Fizz is gutter trash when you play correctly versus him.
That's great, until you realize there's no such thing. Aside from, of course, just not going near him. That's a pretty sound strategy lol
Otherwise, no matter how much you try to counter-play him, a good Fizz will fuck you up.
Illabethe1 votesOr.... you know..... you get outside his mobile range of Trickster, and wait for him to land and then just annihilate him while he's on cooldown?
Not hard at all to make almost his entire kit worthless and not hit.
The Highest Noon1 votesHow many people do you know engages with Fizz's best defensive tool? You're assuming, much like everybody who ever comes into a conversation regarding whether or not a champ is too strong, that the Fizz you're playing against is bad. No good Fizz player uses their E unless they have a reason to. And in most situations, it's just a panic button unless you need that extra damage at some point.
SuperCommander2 votesIt's actually not possible to dodge it without mobility in your kit if he throws it directly at you, and I mean this literally, not figuratively.
You need something like** 450 movement speed** to be able to get out of it's way before it attaches, unless you're beyond 1300 range (which is only really possible for Xerath and Ziggs, and it's still guaranteed to land if he Q's through a minion to get close).
Where does these numbers come from? For this to be true the hitbox of the small fish (lure) would have to be 450 (that's as big as the gigalodon hitbox. I don't think that is the case.
Yenn2 votesWhere does these numbers come from? For this to be true the hitbox of the small fish (lure) would have to be 450 (that's as big as the gigalodon hitbox. I don't think that is the case.
I'm saying that if you're at 1300 (max range) from Fizz, you need 450 movement speed to sidestep the fish (in any direction).
If you're closer than 1300 range (i.e. even if it's the smallest), you still can't side step it, because it moves too fast. I used max range because it gives the most time and requires the least movement speed to dodge (if it were dodgeable).
i.e. if you're at 400 range, the fish reaches your initial position in ~0.3 seconds. You need to move more than it's base radius of 200 in 0.3 seconds; you need over 600 movement speed to sidestep it, and that's not including how much it's grown by in that time.
DepressedTomoko2 votesIt's extremely easy to dodge if you're in mindgames with the opponent, otherwise yea you won't dodge it without mobility. It's just not easy to see the projectile honestly
RainXBlade2 votesjUsT sIdEsTeP Lul.