Riot, you should notice that when you disable champions like Rengar, Riven, Yasou, etc. that the in game happiness goes way up. This is due to those champs being so toxic. You should learn from this someday and actually rework them to not be toxic to improve the game.
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Irelia Bot9 votesdisable all champs so people can be happy about not getting bad team mates...
Iabusemyminions2 votes[zombie-brand-mindblown]
Sniper 02 votesSorry sir but you are not correct.
Lugg2 votesI guess you don't notice all the happy posts that go up when the toxic champs are disabled.
Sniper 01 votesI guess you don't notice all the happy posts that go up when the toxic champs are disabled.
The only champs that I find toxic are ones with overly simple kits, like tryndamere. Who "outplay" you when they actually have no right to be outplaying anyone. Well him and ekko. The forums aren't exactly representative of the community.
Lugg1 votesSo you are saying that as long as a champions kit is complex, it's ok for them to be OP or toxic?
Sniper 01 votesSo you are saying that as long as a champions kit is complex, it's ok for them to be OP or toxic?
I'm saying the kit isn't what makes them toxic? It's the numbers that go along with the kit, but you're free to interpret my words how you want. You clearly are already misinterpreting.
Lugg1 votesThat's why I asked, to get some clarity on your post.
A kit is EXACTLY what makes a champion toxic. To say otherwise is simply laughable.
Just look at 
etc. Unless you absolutely gut their numbers, they will always be toxic.
Sniper 01 votesThat's why I asked, to get some clarity on your post.
A kit is EXACTLY what makes a champion toxic. To say otherwise is simply laughable.
Just look at
Ehhh Fizz, Zed and Ekko are the only champs I have issues with on your list right there. LB is feast or famine. Fizz can do obnoxious damage without building anything more than a sheen and a doran's ring early. Ekko builds tank. Zed is just zed and no one likes him.
yas is relatively easy to counter, When lee outplays you he actually outplays you, very mechanically and skill intensive, the same can't be said for any other champion on this list. (zed used to be that way but too many items now.)
Lugg1 votesLB is one of the safest champs in the game and she does insane damage.
Fizz and Ekko you agree.
Zed was fine when they put the delay on his shadow swapping but the Zed mains cried until it was reverted since it gave actual counterplay to him for very good players.
Yas's only weakness is the skill of the player. He has counters in his kit for pretty much anything. Plus the fact that he can ult knockups by other champs is just plain stupid.
Having played the game for over 4 years now, I have a pretty good grasp on balance. The high counterplay champs don't need to be strong at all since you have that counterplay mechanic to beat people with.
Critmaster Garen2 votesthe fact that you posted an image to agree with yourself makes you basically hitler.
you belong into a special circle of hell that is reserved for people who commit genocide and upvote their own facebook posts.
DeloricVI3 votesOh, hello, Godwin's Law. That was fast.
Truly Prideful1 votesThey rework those then 5 more are suddenly "toxic". This community is just a bunch of babies.
DeloricVI1 votesDid you not see the state of Fiora? Pre-rework, everyone thinks she's toxic AF. After her rework? Still toxic AF. Everyone hates the major juggernaut and marksman reworks. What makes you think reworking these champions are going to make them less of a problem, again?
Lugg1 votesRito has definitely screwed the pooch on some reworks. There have been some good ones though like Sion.
DeloricVI1 votesYeah, even if Sion's rework had his stats a little too high at first, it's not as unhealthy as a parry that can now deflect anything from Teemo's Blinding Dart to Aurlion Sol chucking a galaxy at you. He could be made "healthy" with just a few tweaks.
By and large, Riot seems to have trouble recreating simple kits into something equally simple or something not totally ridiculous. Just look at Graves. People complained about him a little bit because of his burst and passive, but now? He's an absolute fucking nightmare. Really, asking for a champ to be reworked is kind of rolling the dice. You never know if they'll be fine, or overloaded to hell and back with downright unhealthy skills in the kit. :/
Lugg1 votesGraves has what I refereed to as sustained burst, which is of course unhealthy. His reload times probably need to be a little longer.
I agree that a good rework only needs a few number tweaks to be good.
