Meanwhile
"Dr. Mundo Sadism (R) max health regen increased from 40/50/60% to 50/75/100%"
"Garen Decisive Strike (Q) bonus damage increased from 30/55/80/105/130 to 30/65/100/135/170
Courage (W)
tenacity increased from 60% to 85%
damage reduction increased from 60% to 85%"
In the same fucking patch cycle.
LilBadWitch55 votes
with 47.50% win rate getting nerfed a couple patches after they specifically introduced a keystone that increased her counters and made a lot of her matchups significantly harder.
It is a terrible balance decision that SHOULD be heavily criticized. It hurts Jungle Poppy, Support Poppy, and Top Poppy for no clear objective reason (at this time). If she were to become oppressive, then I'd change my tune.
I like to play her, so competing with others to play her and having her banned consistently for being OP does not interest me long-term.
OHminus30 votesBut does it hurt mid poppy?
LilBadWitch5 votesBut does it hurt mid poppy?
- Riot Games
Mid poppy is actually a lot of fun against AD assassins. Take demolish. Build sunfire cape.
Ask the assassin in /all where his tower went.
He'll respond by asking you where your bot lane is, and you'll both be having the best time of your life.
Feel Apathy23 votes
gets that specific buff due to the changes to AP itemization with 
being an auto-include to mid laners.
There's also 
which is a cheaper version for ADCs/assassins.
Tundra Hunter10 votesBut meanwhile, in the same patch, Warwick q, from which he heals, get nerfed at max rank.
While they should nerf his early w or maybe e, overall nerf his early and buff his late... as q is already weak late because of grevious wound anyway.
PapaGreg212 votesI think a lot of people max Q first so he's getting this nerf for his mid game moreso than his late game.
Shinjusuke7 votesWarwick isn't almost entirely defined by his ability to heal off Q.
Mundo's ability to healtank with is ult is basically... well... all of Mundo. He doesn't really bring a whole lot.
Warwick has extremely high-speed roaming, innate tankiness, 2 very hard CCs, and healing. Losing a bit off of one of those doesn't hurt his core identity and value that much.
Mundo needs his ult to be strong because he doesn't really have much else. Warwick has other options, and is somewhat strong (albeit not nerf-worthy imo).
Mael Jade1 votesMundo only got an ability that grants him massive amounts of free AD, free %magic resist and....er...give me a year and a rework and I can tell you more strengths. Nearly infinite no-mana-cost poke? Its just an outdated champion with strong parts to his E. Outside of that his only strength is to force enemies to buy 
, or
Shinjusuke1 votesAnd again, he still adds almost nothing except raw tanky stats.
He has almost zero playmaking potential, he can't pick, he can't peel, he honestly cannot do a whole lot.
EXCEPT (gasp)
That thing I said. Where he hits his ult and walks into the enemy team borderline-unkillable.
Warwick is a vastly superior champion in the hands of someone skilled because of his options. He can do things. He brings things to the team besides raw defensive stats and a shitty slow.
They aren't remotely comparable, which is why Mundo needs his ultimate, but Warwick doesn't need his Q to have crazy heal power on it.
If you can'y understand this concept I honestly can't help you, this is basically champion design 101.
Mael Jade1 votesI did not even mention Warwick in my comment. I only said that Mundo E is the only somewhat up do date ability in his kit (since it kinda did get reworked last season) and that he forced them to buy Grievous Wounds so he is not borderline unkillable
Ultîma5 votesHonestly they could have simply removed the health cost from his ultimate and called it a day... No offense to Mundo players but his gameplay is eye-gougingly boring to play against and lacks a fundamental amount of counterplay. Mundo is basically the poster-child of stat-checky champions and until that's fixed in an eventual VGU he shouldn't be buffed. The planned ultimate changes will basically give Mundo the full value of his current ultimate when people are applying greivous wounds on him. That's insane.
DeusVult1 votesMorellos isnt an auto include anymore because it no longer gives CDR or mana regen, which is why everyone purchased it. It is now more niche for burst/assassin types who want the flat pen.
TyroneWatermelon18 votesA reminder that Mundo is a grevious magnet and will have the debuff 24/7, which means that it’s actually 33/49/65% max HP (rounded up) over 12 seconds
TwinkiePro11 votesA reminder that Mundo is a grevious magnet and will have the debuff 24/7, which means that it’s actually 33/49/65% max HP (rounded up) over 12 seconds
Don't forget he almost always builds spirit visage, which could buff that to his old 70% value.
TyroneWatermelon2 votesDon't forget he almost always builds spirit visage, which could buff that to his old 70% value.
How do they interact, before or after the 35% reduction?
Rathar Dashing6 votesIf it works multiplicatively like I think it does, then it would be 100% x1.3 = 130%, 130% x0.6 = 78%
So even with Spirit Visage he's still taking 22% reduced healing overall, for a total of 39/58.5/78% max HP regeneration, more if he takes Revitalize (especially if below 40% HP when cast).
TwinkiePro2 votesHow do they interact, before or after the 35% reduction?
Mathematically i think it matters not as the value should end up being ~85, but likely it applies before the reduction.
Tundra Hunter4 votesMeanwhile, Warwick, another grevious magnet, gets his heal ability nerfed in the same patch...
I Abuse ADCs2 votesA reminder that Mundo is a grevious magnet and will have the debuff 24/7, which means that it’s actually 33/49/65% max HP (rounded up) over 12 seconds
So they basically just gave him grevious wound imunity on ult??
Wild Geese17 votesWant she picked in lcs a few times recently? Maybe some pro came crying to riot.
4th3t0s20 votes[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O3zWa0AZ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-04-26T05:39:33.915+0000)
Want she picked in lcs a few times recently? Maybe some pro came crying to riot.
Probably counterpicked 
or 
Bobloser355515 voteswow i need to start playing Garen again 85% damage reduction lol
HungryAngry2SPP4 voteswow i need to start playing Garen again 85% damage reduction lol
For 0,5s only OR 0,75s, I dont remember
NemeBro13 votesYeah it's pretty fucking wild. I love Mundo and Garen, but these are awful, awful designs. Dr. Mundo in particular feels awful to play against when he's actually good and is typically overbearing. Looking forward to it man.
Yara06 votesGarens actually designed to be bat shit easy to play as. Kinda like annie.
Grunt6664 votesYeah it's pretty fucking wild. I love Mundo and Garen, but these are awful, awful designs. Dr. Mundo in particular feels awful to play against when he's actually good and is typically overbearing. Looking forward to it man.
Really mundo is actually a garbage champion good player or not...42nd win rate, 40th pick rate for top lane and you complain his ult got buffed? Mundo is a free lane just use common sense dont fight with his ult and get grievous wounds?Lets check on garen 34th win rate, 32 pick rate....sorry both of them BADLY need any type of help they can get.
as for poppy ya riot as usual showing they have no clue as poppy has a terrible win rate, and a poor pick rate.
NemeBro9 votesReally mundo is actually a garbage champion good player or not...42nd win rate, 40th pick rate for top lane and you complain his ult got buffed? Mundo is a free lane just use common sense dont fight with his ult and get grievous wounds?Lets check on garen 34th win rate, 32 pick rate....sorry both of them BADLY need any type of help they can get.
as for poppy ya riot as usual showing they have no clue as poppy has a terrible win rate, and a poor pick rate.
You might want to pick up an English textbook and brush up on your reading abilities my man.
I'm not complaining about Mundo. If there's a Mundo in my games it will probably be being played by me. And this buff might not even make Mundo not hot garbage top lane.
And it shouldn't. Dr. Mundo shouldn't be allowed to be strong. Nor should Garen. Both designs are awful. They need reworks.
xelaker13 votesIs poppy dominating play right now?
AjXtar79 votesShe is dominating "how to be useless all game" division.
chipndip113 votesI mean 800 gold just tosses 40% of all of that out a window...
Sexy Jack Rabbit8 votesYeah and then he'll be back in the state he is now.
Buying GW's just puts his ult back into the state it is now.
Ryrynounet9 votesMundo stack hp and the new liandry kill him pretty hard + you can get bork against him instead of a dominik and finally GW is purchasable by everyone making is ult nearly ineficient
Attticus Finch7 votesWhy do people put statements no one has ever actually said in quotation marks?
ChaddyFantome4 votesthose champions also don't have a Point and click Gap closer or hard CC tho. Poppy Does has 2 knockups and a wall stun/knockback on top of sad gapcloser.
Meanwhile mundo an Garen are immobile. and just have a single slow/silence respectively.
Sairek Ceareste25 votesthose champions also don't have a Point and click Gap closer or hard CC tho. Poppy Does has 2 knockups and a wall stun/knockback on top of sad gapcloser.
Meanwhile mundo an Garen are immobile. and just have a single slow/silence respectively.
I'm not saying both are OP or that Poppy is UP, but come on.
Her one knock up is her W, which you have to dash/jump inside or against to even trigger the knock up, which isn't even that long.
Her other knock up is on her ultimate, which if you instant-cast it without charging, has a knock up that is even weaker in duration than 
Q and the cooldown is 10 times longer. The AOE around it is even smaller.
Also no gap closers on them? Garen's Q makes him run 30% faster for up to 3.5 seconds, and it can remove some slows on him. It also has a low cooldown of 8 seconds (after you swing with it). This is three times a lower cooldown than Poppy's movement speed buff which doesn't even start off at max speed. Mundo's ult obviously has a munch longer cooldown, but he still moves a lot faster with it. Not to mention he can literally perma slow you with cleavers which slow you by a whopping 40% movement speed even at level 1. Let's also not forget that both of these champions have a good chunk of built-in tenacity in their kits, whilst Poppy has none, giving them a much easier time for them to stick on whoever they're targeting.
And Garen literally has a point and click true damage ultimate which does more damage based on the opponent's missing health -- so you can't even build against aside from not having the most kills in the match. If that's not "stat checking" then I don't even know what is.
Also, Garen and Mundo have no mana to manage. Poppy does. And her stun can be counter played by not standing near a wall. That's not exactly difficult, leaving her only real source of reliable hard CC being her ultimate.
LichKing2348 votes^all of this not to mention that also have built in higher passive healing by lvl 11 you can never force a garen out of lane again (and sometimes before lvl 11 if he built 
) he jsut backs off and heals all the dmg you did to him away, Mundo just hits R and just cleaves you to death while also dealling all the dmg with an E not to mention they are also tanky as hell and are champs that punishes mistakes heavily
also garens Q silences you so you cant make any fancy plays and his E is basically a mini 
passive so he runs at you has 85% dmg reduction uses his sword for you to shut the fuck up then spins on you removing your armor and god hope your not the villain cause if so here comes a True dmg Missing health ult then he jsut leaves and heals away the dmg you did to him.
i mean yeah once apon a time poppy was broken as shit but they are still nerfing her when shes not even meta and saying its stat checking (one of the biggest lies told)
BestPudgeNA3 votesRiot "Were buffing Poppy to give her longer engage range and a stronger lane phase"
E range increased 50 Passive Auto range increased 50 W movespeed down 23 range worth Base move speed down 5
Boards
"Poppy Gutted GG fuck you rito"
PopcornBunni3 votesRiot "Were buffing Poppy to give her longer engage range and a stronger lane phase"
E range increased 50 Passive Auto range increased 50 W movespeed down 23 range worth Base move speed down 5
Boards
"Poppy Gutted GG fuck you rito"
W resistances cut by a fucking third.
Steelflame3 votesI mean did you account for the fact they buffed OTHER aspects of her to make up for the nerf to her?
They increased her E range by 50 (A fairly significant buff in easy of getting in range to hit people into walls from more angles), and they changed her ulti "Stasis" knockup on the quick charge into a normal one where she and her team can still keep hitting the target.
Was in necessary to preemptively nerf her for that on her W? Probably not. But it isn't like they JUST nerfed her.
Dryditch2 votesI've been asking for the E range buff since they took it away. Her stun should never have been hit that hard. She doesn't need damage... but she does need to feel useful with her stuns.
Azadethe3 votesAnd she's not stat checky at all tbh...... given any champs that don't use Dashes absolutely destroy her. She can't even fight 
at any point in a game. The best she can do is lay a Q in his path, and try to run, or occasionally R. and run. If she tries to fight him, she will lose every time. And, there's a lot of champs who can do this.........
doubleguac3 votesThere are some really important differences between Mundo/Garen and Poppy.
Mundo and Garen are juggernauts. They have very low CC and no team utility. If you they aren't doing a lot of damage and sponging up a lot of damage, they are completely useless. They are, quintessentially, stat checks.
Poppy has a ton of team utility. She has a small knockback that can stun, she cancels dashes in a large zone around her, and she has her massive ultimate knockback.
Poppy doesn't need to be as amazing a fighter in order to be useful. She brings stuff to the table aside from raw damage and tankiness.
Garen and Mundo need to be tanky as hell and do a lot of damage in order to ever be picked, because they bring absolutely nothing else to the table.
I do think Garen and Mundo can stand to have kit tweaks at some point. They are very binary and stat-checky. But in the meantime, they are just straight up underpowered, and could use some love.
T4underbolt2 votesWell. The changes on poppy are true. She is a stat check. Mundo on the other hand needs a buff. His only reason for being strong was in ultimate and that one gets hardly countered by grevious wounds. And mundo without ult is nothing. For garen I'm surprised. He is as much of a stat check and yet they are buffing his stats. Those are already high enough to out DMG most laners.
Jet Sett2 votesI mean Mundo's regen is literally all he has going for him. He's a meat wall with high base damage, max health damage, and damage that scales with his HP. This is good until they inevitably rework him, his kit just offers too little for how many things counter him.
LichKing2342 votesMissing hp on E (his missing hp) Current hp on Q (your current not his)
LittleDemonTrist2 votesPoppy is rlly strong in low elo. She is a quite high dmg tank, but doesnt have the best engage in teamfights. In bronze u dont need engage which makes her rlly good.
Snowman Arc7 votesAny champion is a god in bronze, as long as you are not braindead.
lolipopevelynn2 votesThey fucked up poppy gameplay rework anyway. She should have been a fighter, not a tank. Old poppy was always a bursty fighting champ. The ONLY thing that made her "tanky" was her ult and passive, but her old passive made it to where it was terrible to build hp items on her. So in reality the only problematic issue with poppy was her old ult.
Even with her current kit its obvious poppy WANTS to stick to people and fight, but riot is trying so hard to steer away from that nature. But whats worse is that these clowns are even nerfing her tankiness. Ridiculous.
Mojihito6662 votesGive me my prerework back
Riot i told you after reworking her your game will die and its happening. Your only chance is to surrender to my demands.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesPoppy already had her VGU and they are trying to readjust. Over time, they were stripping away utility from Poppy and made her more stat checky, which is not what they actually want now.
Meanwhile Dr. Mundo is still a candidate for a VGU, even on the tier 1 list for it. These changes are not meant to make him healthy, there is too much wrong with his kit to achieve that without completely rehauling it. They are just trying to buff him up, so he is in a somehow playable state until he finally gets his rework. Let's be honest, Dr. Mundo is insanely weak right now and needs some help.