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The thigh guy··3 votes·1,679 views

Are you all happy now?

Ezreal has been gutted to the point where his winrate is only 0.46% higher than a champion riot specifically keeps gutted.

Of course you aren’t. There are still daily posts about “blonde boi op” and “make ibg melee only”. Only with one line of reasoning “This one time, I fed Ezreal 8 kills and he almost one hit me. :c”

31 Comments

Modi6 votes

If you think that Riot uses the boards as the basis for their nerfs/buffs, you need to look back at the history of their champ changes. While, yes, they may use the community sentiment as one factor in their decision making, it is far from the be-all, end-all reason for any decision they make regarding gameplay.

SEKAI5 votes

"aRe yOu nOT iNtRiGuEd?" - Ezreal

But I mean, with a consistent 20% pick rate, you kinda expect his win rate is supposed to be subpar due to the dilution caused by having a large player base, this is especially true since Ezreal is a rather skillshot reliant champion.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

The "pickrate" argument becomes fucking pointless at a god fucking damned 46% winrate.

SEKAI4 votes

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The "pickrate" argument becomes fucking pointless at a god fucking damned 46% winrate.

Champs that have kit that would result in a large variance of outcome depending on the personal skill of the players, such as LB, Ezreal, Ryze, etc. are supposed to have a low average win rate when they have a big enough player base.

Unlike playing say, Garen where usually even if you do bad, there's a certain bottom line you won't fall under unless you're just really, really bad. However this is different to say Ezreal or Ryze etc, where if you do bad, you're basically just a dead weight. And this means the average win rate of a high play rate on these kind of champs will be a lot lower than where they actually are due to a large number of players failing miserably at them.

There is a reason why champs like LeBlanc is intentionally balanced at a lower win rate; there is the saying that if LB were to go over 46% average win rate she becomes OP.

nm10102 votes

I remember when 46%-48% was a normal win rate for "high skill" champions.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

You mean back in s1 and s2 where their best players would be lucky to be placed in Silver today?

nm10101 votes

Considering skill is relative, that is a bad argument in any context. I would also point out that this season is probably one of the least skillful that has ever existed. I know multiple prior hardstuck gold and lower players that are sitting in diamond on negative winrates (some from this board).

My wife has observed that she is playing in nearly diamond mmr off placements after being low plat previously and not playing SR in years. The guy that got me into league hit challenger after not playing for years and was previously mid-high diamond. This season is by far the easiest to climb.

Edit: Also, this was season 3-4. You can still see the tail end of it on a lot of the league of graph's, well, graphs. Champions like Zed used to take a lot more effort to do well with.

https://i.gyazo.com/a24a581551aa85772eaaf4cb983bb615.png

The thigh guy2 votes

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"aRe yOu nOT iNtRiGuEd?" - Ezreal

But I mean, with a consistent 20% pick rate, you kinda expect his win rate is supposed to be subpar due to the dilution caused by having a large player base, this is especially true since Ezreal is a rather skillshot reliant champion.

10%. A 10% pick rate does not constitute being as low in winrate as the adc riot openly keeps in the shitter.

Kazekiba4 votes

Thats because the average player cant hit a skillshot and Ezreal has a massive playerbase (hint: Theyre all bad.) and ever since his mini-vgu Ezreal should never be touched by anyone below Plat.

Theres a reason I have Ezreal on Permaban status and its not because I'm afraid of him carrying

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

And this justifies a 46% winrate...how?

Kazekiba3 votes

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And this justifies a 46% winrate...how?

because ... bad players gonna bad? And if 1 in 5 players roughly are picking him, then ... he's gonna be played by a LOT of bad players. When Ezreal has a playerbase of maybe 600 people in high elo playing to win and has a 46% winrate he's trash but if he also has a 19% pickrate ... uh, yeah.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

And those good people? Is it completely inconceivable that those bad people are also against bad people, therefore the winrate shouldn't be terrible?

Kazekiba2 votes

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And those good people? Is it completely inconceivable that those bad people are also against bad people, therefore the winrate shouldn't be terrible?

Mechanically complex champion with high room for error (missing key abilities, rewarded for landing attacks correctly and proper combos etc.) v. simple right-click champs like Ashe or Miss fortune = Much more likely that the Ashe/MF will win the matchup even if both players are of equal skill level and Ezreal is theoretically stronger (which he is.) Ashe just right clicks and occasionally presses W when theres no minions in the way or presses R for some added CC Ezreal has to actually chain abilities

The thigh guy1 votes

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Thats because the average player cant hit a skillshot and Ezreal has a massive playerbase (hint: Theyre all bad.) and ever since his mini-vgu Ezreal should never be touched by anyone below Plat.

Theres a reason I have Ezreal on Permaban status and its not because I'm afraid of him carrying

Weird way of saying “I can’t dodge a skill shot so I ban him”

Tr4shB4NSYST3M3 votes

Nah man he's saying he bans it so his own team wont pick him and do no damage b/c they missed every skillshot.

The thigh guy1 votes

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Nah man he's saying he bans it so his own team wont pick him and do no damage b/c they missed every skillshot.

Fair I can’t blame him. I do the same thing with yasuo. I can crush him for days, but if my teammate picks him. Yeah.... 0/10 at 8

Tr4shB4NSYST3M2 votes

Yeah, i don't ban it out (permaban irelia right now), but as a lower elo boy do i Hate seeing my adc lock in ezreal b/c it feels like 9/10 times they're going to have subpar poke and nearly any AA based ADC would've done more.

Kazekiba2 votes

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Weird way of saying “I can’t dodge a skill shot so I ban him”

Oh I dont care about playing against Ezreal. I dont want to play WITH an Ezreal because I dont want free losses. And yet he's a constant dominant force in high elo games and pro games hmmm, wonder why that is? Because Ezreal is ridiculously strong if youre not terrible at the game but bad players shit the bed and are worse than useless with him??

The thigh guy1 votes

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Oh I dont care about playing against Ezreal. I dont want to play WITH an Ezreal because I dont want free losses. And yet he's a constant dominant force in high elo games and pro games hmmm, wonder why that is? Because Ezreal is ridiculously strong if youre not terrible at the game but bad players shit the bed and are worse than useless with him??

That’s his plat+ winrate. So players who are on the upper end of the skill expression charts are managing that low a winrate.

Washed up at 204 votes

He still deals 8th highest damage per game, and that's out of all champions in all of their main roles, so there are 215 entries on the list

He also has a high play rate, so there will be bad Ezreal players that bring the winrate of Ez ADC down

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

He's a fucking poke champion. They always have high damage.

Zyra will almost always do the highest damage on her team, even if she does the worst.

And the high pickrate argument justifies ~49% winrate, not a fucking 46% winrate.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M1 votes

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He's a fucking poke champion. They always have high damage.

Zyra will almost always do the highest damage on her team, even if she does the worst.

Teemo and Karthus would like to say hi

Magi Mayvin3 votes

lul ezreal shouldve never existed i hope he stays dead forever

The thigh guy1 votes

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lul ezreal shouldve never existed i hope he stays dead forever

Weird way to spell ekko.

Magi Mayvin3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Taq1stxp,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-09-10T18:39:12.408+0000)

Weird way to spell ekko.

weird way to spell ezreal

preternatural1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Taq1stxp,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-09-10T18:39:12.408+0000)

Weird way to spell ekko.

ekko is fine bro, well until 9.18 but that was done willingly by the collective.

The thigh guy1 votes

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ekko is fine bro, well until 9.18 but that was done willingly by the collective.

Ekko is the starting point of all this power creep in the game.

preternatural2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Taq1stxp,comment-id=0007000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-11T00:59:17.103+0000)

Ekko is the starting point of all this power creep in the game.

WRONG people were talking about power creep when Xin and LB were new to the league. to say ekko is the start of it is ahistoric. that aside i don't buy into power creep being a thing, there's simply good design or bad design.

Sky Cardis1 votes

Ezreal is known as a "Basic Bitch". Easy in and out flash (and they always carry the flash summon spell) Long range and does lots of damage. Using melee items like Ice Gauntlets makes it hard to escape or catch up to him. (especially with those flashes).

But a lot of that can be said about any "mobile" champion.

The issue with Ezreal is no matter how hard Riot tries to kick Ezreal from the meta, the items he can synergism with keeps him in the meta, no matter what they do in spite of his changes or items changed directly because of him. Someone will find something to make him powerful in do time, no worries. Hence why hes a "Basic Bitch".

Posui Gart1 votes

He can stay there for all I care. His laning phase is cancer for both his support and enemy botlane(except Yuumi, who has somewhat similar playstyle). Nobody likes to play with/against him. And if people who miss 4/5 Qs can get >30% winrate with him, there is still room to nerfs

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

Hes always busted then nerfed twice a year.

Give it like another month he spikes back up.

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