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@Riot can we get context on twisted fates wild cards nerf?

Azteryz··3 votes·2,797 views

http://orig14.deviantart.net/e844/f/2013/291/9/6/noxus_twisted_fate_by_yy6242-d6qwg28.png

so for anyone who doesnt know the new patch just droped on the pbe http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/11/1123-pbe-update.html

Twisted Fate Wild Cards (Q) [damage lowered ? ] Destiny (R) range changed to 4000/5000/6000 from 5500

so i understand nerfing his ult range at early-mid game because it had the same problem tp did

now theres potential that his wild cards damage is gonna be nerfed can i get some context on this from a rioter?

yes it does a good bit of damage but this skills missle speed is slower than my grandma trying to figure out how a remote works :< and if riot does decide to go through with this i still think compenstation is needed elsewhere in his kit that isnt a problem (maybe his e)

TLDR: nerfing tf wild cards is going a little too far atleast without a little more compensation

16 Comments

Hayaishi24 votes

Retarded easy wave clear?

Don't need to be a magician to guess that, he has better wave clear than Ziggs.

Azteryz2 votes

except his q cost 100 mana which i always considered to be the downside to his wave clear especially since ever single skill of tfs maxed out cost 100 mana

OperationDEEZ15 votes

Viktor trumps both of them, and all he needs is 1000 gold.

Azteryz2 votes

exactly so i dont see his wave clear being the main reason why

Melledoneus1 votes

Heretic! Viktor is our herald and our savior!

Tapes phone to face

Krys Star3 votes

Because Twisted Fate's Wild Cards is more of a problem than Yasuo's crit chance modifier, mobility, self-preservation and presence. /s

Azteryz2 votes

you forgot the kappa

OperationDEEZ12 votes

My problem isn't the Q nerf. It's the fucking nerf to Destiny. His early game is all about roaming, and now they're crippling the range on Destiny and it's only improved in late game, at a phase in the game where it's usefulness at it's lowest.

Azteryz1 votes

i love his ult just as much as you friend but it kinda makes sense why they did it

its the same reason they nerfed teleport because bottom lane would be a blood bath all i see from this is you have to run a little more towards bot or top if you wanna ult gank

Jeozer1 votes

do they even think about anything when they making these changes, i mean seriously tf right now is like having decent winrate in ranked game, his winrate is even below most of avg support champ for fksake, lets talk about those q nerf, so now u as a tf, u need early game power spike, you need to get like sheen first which doesn even provide any AP, when you finish lichban(if you are using ms rune), you cannot 1 shot the wave, it takes you two rotation to do it as any other champs do, people just don know how to play the lane to shutdown a tf and by the time tf gets decent waveclear and they have no way to do about it, and then they realize they are fked cause tf can go anywhere he wants and help his teammates to get kills, and they just complain that tf is op and shit and never think about their own problem(when to freeze way, how to trade more effectively, how to set up gank to kill tf or force his summ so he cannot ganking properly)

Jeozer1 votes

and lets talk about the fucking ult range change, tf generally offers not effective burst in early game, he is more like a kill assist, he uses destiny and throw down yellow card for cc and then help his teammate to win they fight by outnumbering enemies, but the main problem with his lvl1 ult right now is you have to walk for 5 more second before you using your ult. first of all you take ms rune as TF ( that is for a reason, for most matchups you need to dodge abilities like syndra cass orianna zed, and it gives you more harras ability to trade better in lane), in this case with the new tf nerf on its Q and destiny, you need it more so than ever, so now you automatically lacking waveclear ability and general burst in the early game, you cant shove like the enemy mid laner does(if the guy knows how to play the game), and you cant arrive in time to help you teammates(generally a gank or a immediate fight happen and end in 5-10 sec depends on trading, you need 5 secs to get in position, 2 secs to ult and arrive, maybe by the time you are there, your teammates have already been dead), and if you choose not to go and give up this tiny windows, you will scale equally as you opps mid laner, reaching mid game if one of your lane has been pushed and they just send all people to mid to kill your turr, and you are basically done for.

gatito2 votes

You won't get any context on this. Someone at riot lost one too many games against tf and thought it's time to tone him down. I don't wanna point fingers but currently there are many other heroes that are in a stronger position than him and they don't get dealt with. Only way to explain this cherrypicking imo

Jeozer2 votes

truth has never been heard(or ignored lol), twitch chat spam balance joke for a reason

Puynsi1 votes

Easy wave clear with an insane poke, ever got hit by a TF Q? It chunks really hard, not to mention that it goes trought any target.

Azteryz1 votes

a lot of spells go through any target but the thing with his q is that its an extremly slow skillshot its missle speed is really low another thing is at max rank all of twisted fates spells cost 100 mana so thats another reason to be careful with just throwing his q and wasting it so why the nerf?

Puynsi1 votes

Honestly? I don't know, but TF is one of those champs which are always strong, I remember when they had to increase the cooldown of his W because at 40% cdr you could lock someone with yellow cards, pretty much like Ryze and his perma-snare. Maybe it has something to do with the masteries?

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