sterak's is still pretty underwhelming tbh

Big Lincoln·Jul 18, 2017·82 votes·3,427 views

the shield decays way too quick to be of any value and is a garbage component item -- why do I have to farm it just to make it gold efficient?

i think it should decay half as quick or slower, and raise the price tag a little to compensate (clean up the build path, though. and 1150 gold? ).

rn it's only worth the purchase on Illaoi because of her ability to slingshot from low HP to high HP near instantly if she plays well, other bruisers shouldn't bother

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ModJango MageJul 18, 201713 votes

why do I have to farm it just to make it gold efficient?

item 3191 mages cri every tiem

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 19, 20171 votes

at least item 3157 is strong.

RainbowIceeJul 19, 20171 votes

Situational, While before it had great AP and the CD on the hourglass was not as long it was a lot more useful. Now the AP it gives isn't as good and the CD is quite large. Hourglass is not always useful as in there are situations where all it does is stall a few meaningless seconds and at that point you should just not use it. But if you don't use it it's not being a gold efficient item at all.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 19, 20171 votes

This item give all IMO :

cdr
ap
great passive. It protect even when u mistake. I mean most of ap are range, and u shouldn't be at range of lethal threat

Glory ln DeathJul 19, 20171 votes

It has stasis active, so it protec

But it has AP and CDR, so it also attac

RainbowIceeJul 20, 20171 votes

far too many melee ranged champions have gap closers also when you use it you are at the same time in the mercy of those around you whether is allies or enemy. It has great usage but if you don't find a good use for it it's basically wasting a slot because the stats are pretty weak tbh.

ZapMyHeartJul 22, 20171 votes

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mages cri every tiem

item 3070 So much tears. Gotta stack them tears.

Malicious MetalJul 18, 20176 votes

I love it on Morde. Think it's pretty good.

The shield decays way too fast though, but otherwise it's a great item.

MordepoolJul 18, 20171 votes

When was the last time you used it?

Malicious MetalJul 18, 20171 votes

Just last game on my smurf. Currently trying to get that account to Diamond, sitting at Plat I

https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33560309/cho.jpg

SquashCannonJul 19, 20171 votes

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Just last game on my smurf. Currently trying to get that account to Diamond, sitting at Plat I

https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33560309/cho.jpg

rate el hue build pls

item 3053 item 3078 item 3742 item 3047 / item 3111 item 3065 item 3146

also fix gunblade interaction with morde Q rito

Malicious MetalJul 19, 20172 votes

Tons of damage/10

Dasdi96Jul 18, 20175 votes

It is only really worth purchasing on juggs since they have extremely high base ad and usually have total ad scalings. However, I would probably consider buffing the hp on it to 500.

Big LincolnJul 18, 201719 votes

i wouldn't buy it on most of them, either

beef walls like Volibear Chogath DrMundo are better off getting stoneplate as their 'panic-button' item and the former 2 will pair it with locket anyway, Darius doesn't like it because base AD doesn't benefit his ult damage, Yorick has more important items to buy, etc

it's legitimately only still a good pick-up on Illaoi because of the nature of her healing. I'd much rather have the shield last longer than an extra 100 health, too.

C9 Squeeky Jul 18, 20173 votes

I agree, stoneplate and sterak's are pretty much competing for the same niche.

RalanrJul 18, 20172 votes

The only benefits for Steraks is that you don't have to press a button and it doesn't reduce your damage.

Big LincolnJul 18, 20175 votes

idk if i'd say not having to press it is a benefit. just means that it's up to your enemies when and where your shield gets popped

TotalJerkJul 18, 20178 votes

Yorick gets item 3078 though, and Sterak's boosts the damage of the sheen proc.

Raven RedeemedJul 18, 20173 votes

Yeah, I'd say Sterak's is at least close to a core item in Yorick.

Big LincolnJul 18, 20175 votes

well as far as i know the bruiser yorick gets tforce and titanic or deaths dance then full tank

and then jungle yorick goes full AD, neither of them involve steraks

Tobias BracknerJul 19, 20171 votes

Replace Titanic w/ Sterak

FrightningJul 19, 20172 votes

Titanic and Sterak's go well together, and both are health items, so you can lean the rest of your tank-stat items resistance heavy and you get a nice combination of damage and tankyness (even TF has 250hp on it).

Tobias BracknerJul 20, 20171 votes

This is even better. I would totally love to see dmg bruiser Yorick w/ Triforce, Sterak, Titanic.

SzGamer227Jul 18, 20174 votes

You know who does fucking love Sterak's though?

Illaoi <3 item 3053

And if Shurima's tallest doggo is hungry for more damage, there's always this love triangle:

Nasus item 3078 item 3053

VerxintJul 19, 20171 votes

Darius 's dislike for Steraks isn't because base AD doesn't help his ultimate, but because base AD doesn't help his bleed.

And the fact that you simply don't need the damage and there's better things to get.

SquashCannonJul 19, 20171 votes

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's dislike for Steraks isn't because base AD doesn't help his ultimate, but because base AD doesn't help his bleed.

And the fact that you simply don't need the damage and there's better things to get.

It's both. He doesn't like it for the fact that r and bleed are bonus AD scale.

Not to mention he can get just as much tank out of deaths dance while having way more dmg.

VerxintJul 19, 20171 votes

I didn't mean that his ult isnt bonus AD scaling, it's just that the extra damage from bonus AD his ult generates is nothing compared to his passive.

SquashCannonJul 19, 20171 votes

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I didn't mean that his ult isnt bonus AD scaling, it's just that the extra damage from bonus AD his ult generates is nothing compared to his passive.

Not true, it's situational. His ultimate is WAY more important than his bleed against heavy sustain champs since the bleed is largely nullified and the ult is what has the chance to end a fight before they can sustain too much. This is seen against any ADC who builds a blood thirster or definitely a deaths dance

VerxintJul 19, 20171 votes

His ult with no items, 5 stacks, at level 18, is 900 damage. A black cleaver makes that 960 damage. That's a 7% increase His passive, with no items, at 5 stacks, at level 18, is about 430 damage. A black cleaver makes that 480 damage. That's about a 10% increase.

This means purchases of bonus AD increase his passive damage by about 40% more than they increase his ult damage (10/7 ~= 1.4). The bonus AD does a lot more work through his passive than through his ult. Considering the passive is always happening while the ult is just an execute, the raw damage output of his passive is a lot higher most games.

SquashCannonJul 19, 20171 votes

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His ult with no items, 5 stacks, at level 18, is 900 damage. A black cleaver makes that 960 damage. That's a 7% increase His passive, with no items, at 5 stacks, at level 18, is about 430 damage. A black cleaver makes that 480 damage. That's about a 10% increase.

This means purchases of bonus AD increase his passive damage by about 40% more than they increase his ult damage (10/7 ~= 1.4). The bonus AD does a lot more work through his passive than through his ult. Considering the passive is always happening while the ult is just an execute, the raw damage output of his passive is a lot higher most games.

But the raw damage of his passive isn't higher in particular fights, especially towards later game where the bleed, although nice, takes a back seat to the bonus AD gain which seriously empowers Q and R with their insane AD scaling.

His passive might account for a huge chunk of his overall damage throughout the game because it's a beast early and mid game, but towards late game it's all about how much damage his Q + ult can do to hopefully execute the ADC before said ADC fucks everyone over, hence the classic "5 stack the tank then Q R the backline" that darius wants to do in later game teamfights.

VerxintJul 19, 20171 votes

HIs Q is total AD scaling, not bonus AD, so Steraks actually does help him there. His Q has total AD scaling of 1.4 at rank 5.

Keep in mind, the one offensive item Darius gets, he gets because it has amazing synergy with his passive. His Q and ult damage are important but by far the most important part of his kit is his passive. You don't buy Black Cleaver because of that tiny bit of extra dunk damage it gives, you buy it because it adds haste and armor shred to your passive. Even when he stacks on the tank and flashes onto the backline, the tank gets his armor shredded for 5 seconds after he flashes, and Darius remains hasted for 5 seconds even if he fails to connect a skill.

My point is that when a Darius player buys an item, he's rarely thinking "Oh man, this 5-7% extra damage on my ultimate is gonna be so amazing!". They get Cleaver because it has so much synergy with his passive. They get Death's Dance sometimes because of the large amount of AD and to have even more sustain. They might get Frozen Mallet because the slow makes it easier to get your passive up and keep your targets near you. For all of these items, the extra dunk damage is just icing on the cake. You aren't getting it for the dunk, you're getting it for something else and it happens to make your dunk a bit stronger. But the dunk could theoretically have no AD scaling whatsoever (except for AD granted by Noxian Might) and Darius would still want the same AD items he gets now.

SnakDatSmilesBakJul 19, 20172 votes

Dude triforce into steraks gage was the highest winrate buildpath on yorick for as long as I can remember.

Tobias BracknerJul 19, 20171 votes

Stoneplate reduces your damage and Steraks increases it. Why not get both?

SquashCannonJul 19, 20171 votes

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Stoneplate reduces your damage and Steraks increases it. Why not get both?

Because steraks sucks balls on darius, but honestly it's a noob trap on everyone not named illaoi.

Tobias BracknerJul 20, 20171 votes

How does 84/42 AD and 800/400 HP suck balls on Darius?

BoilTheOilJul 19, 20175 votes

give it tenacity

aspects1Jul 19, 20174 votes

one thing people dont realize about streaks tho it increases your BASE ad, not your bonus ad, which is a big reason why you get it on illaoi, her tentacles scale of base not bonus

BobaFlautistJul 19, 20171 votes

Pretty sure they scale off of total, otherwise buying ad wouldnmake them hit as much harder as it does. Still good with base ad though.

aspects1Jul 20, 20171 votes

yeah thats what i meant xd

AhristocatsJul 18, 20173 votes

sterak is broken on morde

Big LincolnJul 18, 20172 votes

wouldn't surprise me, not everyone has infinite shielding though

can't imagine the shield is impressive though for how little HP he builds

AhristocatsJul 18, 20171 votes

you're not getting it

sterak is the only good AD item to morde beside gunblade that he builds

with both he ends up at 240 ad, and his Q has a 360% total ad ratio, 660% if we count the AD of the 3 attacks

KnightOfEloHellJul 18, 20173 votes

Because your sheild is based of of damage dealt. Steraks+passive=Super hues

Also, stronger q and e when Steraks activates, oh shit

Gg ez

Hexs FortuneJul 18, 20173 votes

Yorick Ghouls and Maiden don't update their stats with item 3053 temp AD boost. So it's like half an item for the gravedigger

Big LincolnJul 18, 20172 votes

ghouls have a lot of fucked interactions with ad items now

this patch where they attack instantly of you land E only procs cleaver once instead of four times

CasterGilgameshJul 18, 20171 votes

its forced to be underwhelming so adcs dont take it

ThefrostyvikingJul 18, 20171 votes

They already patched it so that marksmen won't use it, issue is that they only made a half assed solution and made it subpar compared to everything else.

Unironic SJWJul 19, 20171 votes

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They already patched it so that marksmen won't use it, issue is that they only made a half assed solution and made it subpar compared to everything else.

marksmen won't use it eh

Ezreal item 3078 item 3071 item 3047 item 3042 item 3053 item 3153

tee hee

VerxintJul 19, 20174 votes

I haven't seen any marksman use it since it was changed to bonus HP.

That ezreal build would only get a shield for 400 right now, before it was changed the shield was over 700 for the same build.

The problem with Steraks is that you need about 150% of your base HP as bonus HP for the shield to break even with pre-patch numbers. Since item HP got redued across the board this is especially bad.

Big LincolnJul 18, 20179 votes

ADCs won't take it if the shield is bonus HP

right now it's just crappy for no reason