When you don't play the meta

Subject 5·Sep 11, 2015·2 votes·417 views

When I win lane with my adc and then things go down hill because we refuse to group.

"Wtf is caits build?" -After we get Aced

We won the game and all, but like. This shit is dumb as fuck, we won lane and our jungler refused to help the 2v4 situation between Pantheon, Graves, Morgana and Annie. I was Soraka and my adc was cait, she didn't comment on anything at all but that is bullshit. I had a problem like that when I won lane and built cleaver on Sivir first. I was ahead and built cleaver because I was capable of getting kills more often with that often and if they built armor then I could get somewhat of a small time gain to prevent them from having effective armor.

People don't have to build a specific item and then get rampaged because of other shitty people thinking that everything needs to be played the same over and over again like this wasn't a video game!

11 Comments

disregardableSep 11, 20153 votes

The thing is, you really aren't more likely to get kill kills with Cleaver on Sivir..

Subject 5Sep 11, 20152 votes

Generally, in gold. (The elo that i'm in) Grouping is the answer to solving the enemy team steam rolling your mid lane, instead of farming top and jungle farming wolves. If we get aced, and suddenly bottom lane is a problem because of an item that is built even though we are winning and won a basically 4v2 bot lane, I don't logically like to think that because of a specific item that is built, the winning bottom lane, with most kills and cs is the reason we lost.

IcyPepperSep 11, 20151 votes

When I win lane with my adc and then things go down hill because we refuse to group.

There are more strategies than "group," you know. And those strategies tend to work better when people know this, and react accordingly when another teammate attempts one of those strategies instead of spamming "group" (which I see way too much of, not that I'm accusing you of it).

AlljoySep 11, 20151 votes

Higher elo strategies aren't as efficient in lower elos where grouping tends to be the simplest and easiest way to end a game especially in a chaotic environment such as soloQ due to the inherent lack of co-ordination and communication between five strangers, especially if you have enough power to dictate the tempo of a teamfight when you blitzkrieg down a lane.

disregardableSep 11, 20151 votes

Working with your team is more efficient than trying to harass/spam them into bending to your will, regardless of the circumstances.

AlljoySep 11, 20151 votes

I was talking about why grouping might be thought of as more efficient than rotations that require co-ordination generally not had in SoloQ, and why people might prefer it.

So yes, you're right, but where have I talked about bending anyone to do anything?

Archon XSep 11, 20151 votes

When you get item 2049 swap out for a item 3341 There is no reason to not do this. Also upgrade it asap.

For all adcs other than Vayne Ezreal and KogMaw it's kind of standard for first four items:

item 3031 item 3006 item 3046 item 3035

It's "meta" because it does the most damage. For fifth and sixth items, one defensive item, perhaps item 3026 and one more offensive item, like either item 3153 or item 3072

Usually not a good idea to stack two item 3046 , you'll be gimping your damage. And starting item 3071 on Sivir is bad, maybe unless you're on an ARAM with at least 3 other ADs but even then I probably wouldn't do it.

Subject 5Sep 11, 20151 votes

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When you get swap out for a There is no reason to not do this. Also upgrade it asap.

For all adcs other than and it's kind of standard for first four items:

It's "meta" because it does the most damage. For fifth and sixth items, one defensive item, perhaps and one more offensive item, like either or

Usually not a good idea to stack two , you'll be gimping your damage. And starting on is bad, maybe unless you're on an ARAM with at least 3 other ADs but even then I probably wouldn't do it.

item 3087 item 3046 = 90% AS 2 Phantoms = 100% AS

I'll let you count up the amount of additional crit it gives you, which I would gladly take for passive shiv

Archon XSep 11, 20151 votes

item 3153 would do more damage than a second item 3046 and its active, if used right, almost guarantees a kill.

Subject 5Sep 11, 20151 votes

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would do more damage than a second and its active, if used right, almost guarantees a kill.

item 3153 is also a niche pick, it deals percent health damage and all right sustain. It is questionable if you do more damage or not because if you crit 90% like how I build, you will actuall deal more damage than if you crit 55% of the time without the second phantom. Doing math of course. Also it depends on the champion to build bork as well as the enemy team comp. It is too much of a general statement to say item 3153 is better than item 3046 in a specific situation.

Creamy EeveeSep 11, 20151 votes

item 3185 in aram, do people not understand how important it is if your enemy has stealthers? even if they don't that's a free bush check right there ontop of ad (a plus), crit (another plus), a reveal on crit (handy) and a bleed passive (pretty meh but has uses)