Elise has had low winrates in every elo since her nerfs way back when, and in the new jungle Eve has some of the lowest winrates in any elo at all, please rebuff these champs to where they were before... Old eve and elise would be balanced in the new jungle ya know :b
HitYouInTheFace8 votesElise is a tough jungler to balance only because her spiderlings can tank for her, so they have to counter her having that protection by lowering her dmg/clear time. I agree though, she is a little weak right now. I think they should buff her ratios so she can flow into late game a little easier. Just my 2 cents. :)
I dont play Eve, so I cant comment on her.
MrSexyHobo1 votesthis
HitYouInTheFace1 votes:D Thanks.
MrSlowDie6 voteselise was a goddess of jungle, with lee sin she stood, but she couldn't make any #LCSBIGPLAYS, so Riot forced the goddess to fall, and rape her.
Ad Astra per Asp5 votesElise has had one of the lowest win rates for over half of last season. And people don't realize it yet, but lee sin, since his nerfs in all but a very few levels and cases of play is also consistently in the bottom 10 win rates.
Keltrick2 votesExcept for the Higher ELOS...Not to mention that over 21% of matches played feature lee sin. Statistically, his win rate is not low compared to his use....not at all hahahahaha!
Skia Asteri4 votesEvelynn's only problem is that it is somewhat easier to fall behind and hard to recover from falling behind by farming your jungle. I think she would be at least at the level she was at the end of season 4 if they gave Stalker's Blade a passive that made short bursts of farming between doing other activities (ganking) more effective.
In the games where I don't fall behind with Evelynn I find she does better now than she did in season 4, but I might just be playing her better. If it is not just a matter of playing better, then the cause is like better jungle itemization in the form of Stalker's Blade with Magus enchantment.
SmokingPuffin3 votesI think Elise is quite good in the new jungle. You have to be good at dancing the spiders, but if you are it is easy to do a 3 camp start into a very strong gank, and after you get your jungle item she has the same super strong midgame she's had for a while.
Raxistaicho1 votesThis, Elise's first clear of the jungle is quite strong. I can consistently clear 3 camps with near-full hp afterward while only using 1 of my two pots. It's also worth noting she can kill the river crab pretty easily. Her only real problem with the new jungle is trying to 1v1 the dragon since it just obliterates her spiderlings, but that's generally not a good idea to even try unless you're a champ that happens to do well at that.
Saianna2 votesRiot doesn't like spiders and smurfs on heels
CasterGilgamesh2 voteselise is fine she needs a small dmg buff for late game but other then that she fine ev on the other hand needs many buffs since not only did they nerf ap ev to the ground they nerf ad ev and she cant even really burst any more with the nerfs like she should do in fact with the reduced speed on her hate spikes she cant clear camps as fast as say some one like udyr or even elise ev is great ganker but that's all she is she gets behind very fast and she's an assassin that's forced to go tanky since she cant burst as fast as other assassins also she only brings a slow to a team fight and some one to soak some dmg but then she IS an assassin she shouldn't be trying to dmg soak she should be trying to focus on picking out targets the jungle changes make it hard to put an assassin jungler since they shouldn't have sustain or tankyness witch is whats needed for jungle but it seems that riot has no probs letting assassins like yi kha or even rengar have SOME form of sustain and high burst plus both kha and ren have stealths they may not last as long as ev's stealth but at least they have burst and they can walk up to you and you cant see them unlike ev's who they will see you if you get close ev WAS a good jungler very good champ to start off into jungle with but with the nerfs she just not that usable
Skia Asteri2 votesassassin that's forced to go tanky since she cant burst as fast as other assassins also she only brings a slow to a team fight and some one to soak some dmg but then she IS an assassin she shouldn't be trying to dmg soak she should be trying to focus on picking out targets
If you are not killing people with Evelynn, even in late game, you are doing something terribly wrong unless tanky-ness is what your team requires.
CasterGilgamesh1 votesmeh as far as iv seen full dmg ev never works they they dont do much at the end of the match since they will just get bursted and ev cant clear camps as fast or as safe i would like her hate spikes to heal her that way she can at least farm in peace the only use i see ev for is dmg soak since she seems to be the first one to go in with her ult only to die unless you get hella fed early game you cant do much at all but be a roaming ward lots of champs can lay out dmg faster then her and shes so squishy its like if you slapped her she would die LOL unless you build tanky iv never seen an assassin that could build tank and also im just made that riot had to nerf ap ev and make ad ev a thing since we have WAY too much ad junglers that are good as it is like yi lee or udyr elise is a good ap jungler but thats it as far as i have seen
Skia Asteri1 votesmeh as far as iv seen full dmg ev never works they they dont do much at the end of the match since they will just get bursted and ev cant clear camps as fast or as safe i would like her hate spikes to heal her that way she can at least farm in peace the only use i see ev for is dmg soak since she seems to be the first one to go in with her ult only to die unless you get hella fed early game you cant do much at all but be a roaming ward lots of champs can lay out dmg faster then her and shes so squishy its like if you slapped her she would die LOL unless you build tanky iv never seen an assassin that could build tank and also im just made that riot had to nerf ap ev and make ad ev a thing since we have WAY too much ad junglers that are good as it is like yi lee or udyr elise is a good ap jungler but thats it as far as i have seen
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1653673879/218693738?tab=overview
This build kills Vayne early in team fights in 40+ minute games for me. What more do you want from an assassin?
CasterGilgamesh1 voteswould like her not to die to every person that just looks at her you dont see assassins like zed akali or zed dieing so much
Skia Asteri1 voteswould like her not to die to every person that just looks at her you dont see assassins like zed akali or zed dieing so much
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1657022254/218693738?tab=overview
I had a bad start.
Quantum Weeb2 votesElise is a problem because she does so many things. Either she does everything decently, which makes her absolutely amazing, or she does nothing well, and she ends up useless. You can make it so some parts of her kit are strong and others aren't, but then you get the old Sion situation where you never even use half your kit because it's just there to suck your mana.
Abyssphere4 votesElise is a problem because she does so many things. Either she does everything decently, which makes her absolutely amazing, or she does nothing well, and she ends up useless. You can make it so some parts of her kit are strong and others aren't, but then you get the old Sion situation where you never even use half your kit because it's just there to suck your mana.
The old Sion situation was very different. Half his kit was useless because of the AD/AP split. Elise's kit is entirely AP so there'll never be a point where any of her kit isn't scaling. Elise's kit is split between utility (her Es) and damage (Q + W) but if you make her utility better you're not for some reason gonna make all Elise players stop using her damage attacks. That just makes no sense.
Elise just needs to scale better into the late game. Increase the base damages on her Qs (Neurotoxin maxing at 180 is quite terrible) and maybe the AP scaling on her Volatile Spidering and she's fine.
Quantum Weeb1 votesElise is a problem because she does so many things. Either she does everything decently, which makes her absolutely amazing, or she does nothing well, and she ends up useless. You can make it so some parts of her kit are strong and others aren't, but then you get the old Sion situation where you never even use half your kit because it's just there to suck your mana.
The old Sion situation was very different. Half his kit was useless because of the AD/AP split. Elise's kit is entirely AP so there'll never be a point where any of her kit isn't scaling. Elise's kit is split between utility (her Es) and damage (Q + W) but if you make her utility better you're not for some reason gonna make all Elise players stop using her damage attacks. That just makes no sense.
Elise just needs to scale better into the late game. Increase the base damages on her Qs (Neurotoxin maxing at 180 is quite terrible) and maybe the AP scaling on her Volatile Spidering and she's fine.
I see what you're saying, that's a pretty fair point.
In that case, let me ask you, don't you think buffing a jack of all trades like Elise (or Lee) would lower the competitive jungle pool? That's basically the exact thing that happened when she was strong, not to mention she was so good at early diving that is strangled the top lane pool as well.
UkeNeverSeme1 votesOne of the biggest problems for elise is meta actually. she's a pick champion, and the meta currently is about either hardcore siege or hardcore teamfighting, and she's not very good at either.
Poptart Evelynn2 votesProblem with Evelynn atm is her late game. I can still do amazingly well with her for the first 15-20 mins. After that she becomes utter shit useless. Like I can be 12-0 and I'll lose to people with 80 cs/0 kills 20 mins in. I've tried different item routes but she just needs something done.
Zirzon1 votesSounds like my problem with Elise. No matter how well I do early on, mid to late game you fall behind in damage hard. Poor scaling.
Skia Asteri2 votesProblem with Evelynn atm is her late game. I can still do amazingly well with her for the first 15-20 mins. After that she becomes utter shit useless. Like I can be 12-0 and I'll lose to people with 80 cs/0 kills 20 mins in. I've tried different item routes but she just needs something done.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1653673879/218693738?tab=overview
Unless dealing with extreme late game scalers like Yi (AS slow immunity on top of slow immunity) or Kog'Maw, I usually do not encounter than problem if I am not behind. Though it does require a team that can compete at that point in the game in general.
Mountain Warden1 votesProblem with Evelynn atm is her late game. I can still do amazingly well with her for the first 15-20 mins. After that she becomes utter shit useless. Like I can be 12-0 and I'll lose to people with 80 cs/0 kills 20 mins in. I've tried different item routes but she just needs something done.
Me it's the opposite. I struggle a lot with Evelynn with her early game since I find her Q not doing a lot of damage and her being ultra squishy. Early game tower dives to assassinate targets are so hard to pull off with Eve. But I've usually done better late game when I can pump out some damage.
Mirage Night2 votesEve needs a rework through and through. Her kits mess, back story, and looks do not jive together at all. Thank god they are giving her a thematic rework. Hopefully she'll have an identity again.
Ternt2 votesI don't think Evelynn jungle is that bad. Yeh, she is squishy and there are times I have been executed, but she is an amazing ganker. What you miss in jungle you can certainly make back in ganks. Although she is hard to use and you require some good leashes, overall I think she is pretty good in jungle.
UkeNeverSeme1 votesshe's not even a very good ganker because she has cc. your only tool is waiting invis til the enemy overcommits, and then punish. if they don't overcommit, you wont get ganks.
Skia Asteri1 votesshe's not even a very good ganker because she has cc. your only tool is waiting invis til the enemy overcommits, and then punish. if they don't overcommit, you wont get ganks.
Chill Smite is great.
ThePurpleKnight1 votesElise isn't as strong as she should be but she's not unviable either, not the type of champion I'd push for buffs on but it's not like I'd cry OP if she got some buffs to her durability or base damages.
For me I go Devourer into durability items, picking up a Wits End when I feel I am durable enough, but Elise just isn't very durable naturally, so if anything got buffed, I would hope it's that, though I would also benefit from a buff to the on hit magic damage from R.
Hex the FenFen1 votesI feel as though both champs need something to give em a boost. I don't jungle, but i enjoy Elise top lane, but with all the champs top and the hard counters, she does not really stand a chance there anymore.
Saevum1 votesElise,
There are certain requirements for her to be viable, one of them, is the cost of machete (first full clear) and first 2 ganks. Keeps her out among the jungle picks. That, and, the high skill cap on her.
Simplicityzz1 votesNo just no
Wyrmblade1 votesI wonder if she'd make a good midlaner...
Doug Funnie1 votesElise has had low winrates in every elo since her nerfs way back when, and in the new jungle Eve has some of the lowest winrates in any elo at all, please rebuff these champs to where they were before... Old eve and elise would be balanced in the new jungle ya know :b
would they be compatible with the champs around them though?. sure the jungling would be easier, but would they snowball in jungle too much to handle in a game. im not talking bout full out being able to 5v1 snowball, but to the point where its difficult to counter.
UkeNeverSeme1 votesdont think it's a problem, because they don't fit fantastically into the meta currently anyhow.
Chaotic Reks1 votesJust play elise in top lane...
ImHerVoice1 votesEve got shit on She cant even clear past 2 camps . she dies to third. Any build path. You have to have a really good leash to even survive rofl.
I still play her but she's gutted as shit. 25%^ damage removed off my Q base damage was the gutting that ruined her completely. rofl AP eve/tank eve is dead AD/Hybrid pen runes eve still works though.
Skia Asteri1 votesShe cant even clear past 2 camps . she dies to third. Any build path. You have to have a really good leash to even survive rofl.
I can do Gromp > Blue > Wolves or Krugs > Raptors > Red or Krugs > Red > Blue just fine as Evelynn without a leash.
Just needed to add a spell vamp quint to my rune sheet. And with Stalker's Blade her early ganks are stronger now even with one less AP quint.
ImHerVoice1 votesgiving up 10 ap + 1 MS quint is damage as an assasssin jungler rofl. She doesn't farm well. Never has. Never will.