But his ult is practically worthless! It's basically mindless with no real AI unlike tibbers or voidlings, it doesn't defend you, it's attack speed is HORRIBLE for something which needs THREE HITS to do anything significant. Really the only value I've seen in it so far is using it to tank objectives and towers.
WinBoat1 votesI disagree. I think his ultimate is the strongest part of his kit in terms of damage, and it can be useful cause of the knock up.
In my opinion, his E is the most worthless ability and should be changed to an entirely new ability, something completely different than what it is now. They should take his E, and add it as an "addition" to his Q ability. So when he uses Q and roots you, and decides to click and dash to you, he gains a shield that does AOE damage, and slows you. There he would have his Q and E in both one ability, and can use a better offensive ability.
I love the idea of Ivern tho, a friend champion that does not hurt anyone but playfully slaps them. He's interesting, but I think the E is the worst ability, and his W is just kinda random honestly, it could use a buff to where it lasts a minute.
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I disagree. I think his ultimate is the strongest part of his kit in terms of damage, and it can be useful cause of the knock up.
In my opinion, his E is the most worthless ability and should be changed to an entirely new ability, something completely different than what it is now. They should take his E, and add it as an "addition" to his Q ability. So when he uses Q and roots you, and decides to click and dash to you, he gains a shield that does AOE damage, and slows you. There he would have his Q and E in both one ability, and can use a better offensive ability.
I love the idea of Ivern tho, a friend champion that does not hurt anyone but playfully slaps them. He's interesting, but I think the E is the worst ability, and his W is just kinda random honestly, it could use a buff to where it lasts a minute.
His kit doesn't need damage. His E is the most over powered ability in his kit, The slow especially in pro play will result in a huge number of ivern comps which synergize as a slow delivery system with champions like Yasuo or rengar. His W is one of the most powerful objective control abilities ever created and his ult just does nothing. If it ever knocks anyone up you're in too low of elo. His ultimate is a headless chicken running around doing nothing which does very little damage.
Apollocliptic1 votesA better offensive ability defeats the "support" genre he fits in to. Also, his E when combined with Daisy is very useful and important. Not just because of the slow, but because I often tank towers and objectives with it, and it helps so much. It's low CD means I get it up quite often, but the low duration means it doesn't tank as much as other shields and is more timing dependent. I have saved PLENTY of lives with that E, including my own, peeled like crazy thanks to the slow proc, and of course used it to help Daisy land her knock up.
There is nothing about that Shield that makes it worthless, lackluster maybe, but still incredibly useful. While adding better scaling might help, I am curious as to whether you can synergise it with the AS buffs that some items grant shields. It would help Daisy land her knocks ups even more :/
As for the OP, if you can't think of other ways to use Daisy (though tanking objectives is also good) than you probably don't play tanks often, because you use her the EXACT SAME WAY. Peel, damage soaking, and CC. If the enemy dodges the cc, it means that they are being forced away from you, to which you can land your other abilities or focus someone else.
I have been winning more with her, and still learning new tricks. I once ganked top lane from two sides at once. I came from behind so he ran towards the jungle brush where Daisy was waiting, and with my top laner behind him, he was completely trapped. He couldn't run passed daisy without taking at least one knock up, then he was rooted, and then slowed and that helps land another knock up. Not to mention the top laner interaction. Same can be done mid, you can actually hide daisy in one brush, walk to other and then gank from both sides. The creative application is endless. Once they fix her bugs, she will get much stronger
KilljoyX1 votesThe best buff daisy could get would be to change the stacking on daisy to be every 3rd hit regardless of target