are pathetic when it comes to dealing with tanks. Tanks are literally immune to magic damage because they are so tank no mage will even bother attacking them.
Like who thought it was a good idea to give tanks 
let alone BUFF it?
Riot isnt even trying to hide the fact that they hate AP.
AFilthyCaitMain7 votesorrrr maybe because AP isnt supposed to hard counter tanks like sustained damage is?
fuffychan2 votesI know theyre not supposed to hard counter tanks, but as it is now they can do literally nothing. Its pathetic.
HeresyHorus1 votesjust like how ADC arent supposed to be about burst but they do have the best burst with crits for squishies along with best DPS for tanks.
why let ADC counter squishies + tanks but dont want mages to counter both too ?
ZapMyHeart1 votesorrrr maybe because AP isnt supposed to hard counter tanks like sustained damage is?
DPS mages don't count as sustained damage then? Better rework Cass and Ryze then.
Malix Farwin1 votesorrrr maybe because AP isnt supposed to hard counter tanks like sustained damage is?
If AP cannot counter tanks the freeing up lanes like bot lane will never happen because you will always need ADCs to counter tanks.
Big Lincoln3 votesput dfg back i nthe game lol
gabetheguy3 votes[deleted]
HeresyHorus1 votesthan why ADC are bursting squishies much better than Mages and Assassins when they are supposed to counter only tanks by DPS and LS ( they still do that too ) ?
Blade of Justic1 votesI recommend playing 
. He has nice % health damage.
LyingOnLine1 votesVoid Staff and Liandry's are more than sufficient.
fuffychan2 votesThey are terrible compared to 
etc
LyingOnLine2 votesThey really aren't.
Aveza1 votesHave you tried them on 
or 
?
The latter tends to have absurd levels of AP to hit you with (hence benefiting from magic pen) and the former, well, if you're bad the magic pen helps, and if you're good, your ult is doing true damage, so it's just a bonus on whatever else you're hitting. Besides, Liandry's always felt like it made sense when you're shooting lasers.
The whole point of a tank is to be able to take absurd amounts of damage, build your mage right and do even more absurd amounts than they can handle.
mosaickle1 votesJust get Magic Penetration my dude, APs aren't supposed to melt tanks I mean last time Riot tried to implement an anti-tank item for APs (Deathfire Grasp) people abused it to kill squishies even harder. The only other 'way' for APs to counter tanks is to make an item which makes abilities do current/max HP scalings, which of course in turn would then be absolutely impossible to balance.
Dude if you like mages you need to realize they're not meant to kill tanks my dude ADCs > Tanks (often, loosely defined) Tanks > Mages (often, loosely defined) Mages > Squishies (often, loosely defined) Squishies > ADCs (often, loosely defined)
If you really want to play a mage capable of tank killing play Malzahar then
Or again, abuse him to kill squishies even harder like Deathfire Grasp
Azadethe1 votesYet they just added the DFG for AD's back into the game and turned Sterak's into ANOTHER DFG for many Melee champs by converting its AD bonus from BASE to BONUS (meaning now Assassins can take it, along with top bruisers, because their kits scale off BONUS, not BASE)
At the same time, they are introducing an item where AD = Damage reduction to all sources.
At the same time, they are introducing an AD item that gives you hasty resets whenever you ult.
At the same time, AD's get damage reduction from 
from all sources.
At the same time, AD's get 
At the same time, AD's have 1 Total Armor armor reducing item, 2 Armor penetrating items, AND 3 items that flatly reduce armor.
In addition, they can use any keystone mages use IN ADDITION to their own, get a True damage Keystone, and also are getting True damage into their items now too
And..... their hits usually do FAR more damage for FREE than mages do with mana. (Adcs often crit 1600-1700s, or in Caitlyn's case, 3200).
There's really only one major exception to damage comparisons which vastly outscales resist, and that's due to his % damage and tendency to set off multiple explosions when a team piles on top of each other and takes a Brand R.
EarthyMadness1 votesIf you're playing a mage, you have poke skills. Liandry's is designed for tanks, and with poke skills + dft keystone, every poke will do significant damage to tanks. If you're going all in and unloading your full combo on them, you have no right to go crying about tanks being too op. Full comboing a squishy is easy, watch them melt, but play safe vs tanks, it's literally their job to not be burst down.
Work smarter, not harder.
Kiss My N1kes1 votesIf you're playing a mage, you have poke skills. Liandry's is designed for tanks, and with poke skills + dft keystone, every poke will do significant damage to tanks. If you're going all in and unloading your full combo on them, you have no right to go crying about tanks being too op. Full comboing a squishy is easy, watch them melt, but play safe vs tanks, it's literally their job to not be burst down.
Work smarter, not harder.
How are you a mod
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How are you a mod
What was the point?
Azadethe1 votesLmfao. I literally laugh at mages on 
. Regularly. I literally tank entire teams of them and never go below 80% HP. Even if they are late game.
Why?
is a Legimate build on Ornn.
Chocked full of HP sustain,
major resist,
AD,
tons of CDR to pump into Transcendence,
Heals and Regen get amplified by the SV.
If by some miracle I did get low, the Maw of Malmortius saves me with Spell vamp.
Tanks tanking DoT mages especially is trivial as hell, because of these items + Second wind. Most tanks actually HEAL during skills that are DoT after a point. Try Soiling a Garen. Watch him actually gain HP, even if Morgana has Grievous wounds. Mundo also gains HP unless it's a team 5v1.
EarthyMadness1 votesHey all, while I understand that you're adding to the conversation at hand and your posts are still relevant to the OP, that doesn't allow exceptions to our "Necro-posting" rules. This thread is quite old and if you have a desire to discuss this topic further, please make a new thread instead of dredging this one up from 10 months ago. I'll be locking this thread from further replies, in order to prevent further Necro posts.