Petition to have 1 free dodge during promos, 2 free dodges during series

Tentakill Myself·Oct 14, 2015·148 votes·2,554 views

Promos are already bad enough, you shouldn't be held hostage by a troll because they didn't get kindred.

39 Comments

ZexionOct 14, 20159 votes

It would take forever to actually start a game. People would just dodge because someone picked an off-meta pick.

Tentakill MyselfOct 14, 20151 votes

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It would take forever to actually start a game. People would just dodge because someone picked an off-meta pick.

Then it should remove one of your grace period games when you get promoted or something.

HentRexOct 14, 20151 votes

Nice trade off.

Critmaster GarenOct 14, 201522 votes

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It would take forever to actually start a game. People would just dodge because someone picked an off-meta pick.

honestly id take that.

i remember fondly one of my promos a guy picking mid sona into fizz. fuck that dude. dodges automatically lose you a game, so youre completely taken hostage by your team. if one of them decides to do something obviously stupid, then there is no safety net.

losing 3 lp for dodging a game is something that we can easily live with, in case the gaem already looks absolutely terrible in champ select. but the amount of assholes and smartasses who completely fail with their off meta picks, that crawl out of their holes on promos is unnatural.

we should be able to dodge at least 1 game without penalty. i dont care if it takes me 1 hour to get into a game. the amount of time saved compared to failing the series because of bullshit like that and having to climb your way back up to try again dwarves in comparison to longer que times. i take it any day.

ZexionOct 14, 20151 votes

Honestly, mid sona into fizz isn't the worst thing in the world. It does go beyond picks. You have no idea how good the sona is or how bad the fizz is. I guarantee a good player can trash a bad player, no matter the matchup. Also, sona mid will arguably be more useful than a fizz for the entirety of the game.

This is why I think its a bad idea.

GigahappytownOct 15, 20153 votes

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Honestly, mid sona into fizz isn't the worst thing in the world. It does go beyond picks. You have no idea how good the sona is or how bad the fizz is. I guarantee a good player can trash a bad player, no matter the matchup. Also, sona mid will arguably be more useful than a fizz for the entirety of the game.

This is why I think its a bad idea.

blitz into sona doesn't matter skill difference one hook is all it takes.

Critmaster GarenOct 15, 20153 votes

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Honestly, mid sona into fizz isn't the worst thing in the world.

the dude got destroyed and fed 11 kills before 20 minutes as expected. the fizz roamed and destroyed bot lane.

no, its pretty much one of the worst things that can happen. there is no way he had a remote chance picking a squishy support without any form of reliable cc into an assassin and prevent him from snowballing. (his ult doesnt mean jackshit, when the fizz just eeds his base cooldowns to kill him).

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Free dodge = People think, "Yes, free forgiveness to troll".

they do it anyways. especially if you get people in 5's devisions at the end of the season who dont give shit about a single loss because of the buffer. they play up until they reach gold/plat/diamond for the rewards and then play their 1 game a month to not get demoted due to decay.

these are the guys you get in your promos.

CynikaOct 15, 20155 votes

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we should be able to dodge at least 1 game without penalty. i dont care if it takes me 1 hour to get into a game. the amount of time saved compared to failing the series because of bullshit like that and having to climb your way back up to try again dwarves in comparison to longer que times. i take it any day.

Yes, agree 100000%

JRobin31Oct 15, 20151 votes

This thing about this is that dodging hopeless games in series would actually get you back into your next series faster than playing them out without having to waste that hour or the amount of LP you would have lost. This isn't a decision you should get to make for free... especially in games that determine whether you advance to the next division.

CynikaOct 15, 20152 votes

But dodging a hopeless game with a troll going disco nunu or equivalent still counts as a loss. Yes you don't lose mmr for it but it still screws with your series (requiring you to win 2/2) or if it drops you out of series you still have to win to get back into a series that you already qualified for. I don't see how having one free dodge, so that you aren't held hostage by trolls, would break the game.

Chuck CharlesOct 15, 20151 votes

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honestly id take that.

i dont care if it takes me 1 hour to get into a game. the amount of time saved compared to failing the series because of bullshit like that and having to climb your way back up to try again dwarves in comparison to longer que times. i take it any day.

yeah, well I care. and im sure a lot of people don't want hour long queue times for every game just because people want their promos in tact. on a personal level yeah its better for you but for everyone else who doesn't care if its just making queue times ridiculous as you'd go thorugh sometimes entire drafts, someone picks something off meta and someone dodges.

in ranked, people hate on off meta so much and sometimes you can tell someone is going to lose their matchup because they counterpick themselves. pick a match up theres no way they'd ever win (katarina top vs riven). but you know, sometimes they win. and sometimes you have to realize your teammates are already gonna lose one of their lanes usually anyway. usually meta or not, one of your teammates is likely to feed or play poorly. you have to carry consistently to climb and if you can't do that, then you shouldn't be climbing.

i agree that trolls and shit are frustrating, I just got an anivia support troll in a ranked game, but we don't need dodges as we enjoy actually playing this game not going through champ select 5 times and then still losing

CynikaOct 15, 20152 votes

Saying there is going to be an hour long queue time if people have one free dodge in promos is a gross exaggeration.

Mast3rShakeOct 16, 20151 votes

Stop playing ranked please.

JimmyNtheKudosOct 15, 20153 votes

I think if Riot REALLY wanted to address this issue and provide a solution, they can add some kind of report option. You'll get a prompt to write the reason for your dodge, which Riot can investigate later. They can punish the troll, but if there was no reason for you to dodge they can limit your ability to free-dodge in the future.

xFrostKnightxOct 15, 20152 votes

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I think if Riot REALLY wanted to address this issue and provide a solution, they can add some kind of report option. You'll get a prompt to write the reason for your dodge, which Riot can investigate later. They can punish the troll, but if there was no reason for you to dodge they can limit your ability to free-dodge in the future.

You do know how many fake end-game reports people make right? Under 15% of them are accurate.(maybe less since the last check) Which is times thousands and thousands. People dodge quite frequently (Didn't get [Role/Champion/Matchup]) and a dodge being 4-8minutes vs a game of 30 minute's (average). Riot would get 5-10 times more reports than they do end game reports. Imagine having to sort through all those fake dodges which need proper investigation = Time consuming + Difficult to confirm End game reports light up if a specific person has been reported across many games = Easy and Quick to confirm

There is no justification to dodging, which is why Riot is serious about it. They do not want to implement anything to encourage this because people hope there's a slim chance they'll get away with it.

JimmyNtheKudosOct 15, 20152 votes

Dude... Again, easy to work around. There's leaverbuster there can be dodge buster. No solution is perfect, and Riot has actually come out and said this. However, no solution at all has probably been the worst course of action so far.

Edit. This is also for ONE dodge during promos, not for regular dodging.

JRobin31Oct 15, 20151 votes

I agree that free dodges are bad idea. This is why penalties exist for dodging games in the first place: it's just too easy to abuse.

Mast3rShakeOct 16, 20151 votes

So I wouldn't have been forced to play with that top lane AS thresh? Sounds great, give me that dodge!!!

MyTeamIsAwsomeOct 15, 20159 votes

solution:remove promos for season 6

DealthOct 15, 20152 votes

You play with the cards you are dealt with.

DaenOct 15, 20152 votes

Alternatively, we could just...fix promos. The entire system there is irrevocably flawed, it'd be a lot more future-proof to just redesign it than it would be to add something like this.

VekknaOct 15, 20152 votes

Penalty-free dodges should be a currency that you get as a reward for good behavior.

Dunkrius2gOct 15, 20151 votes

I would like that they add a feature where you can get a free dodge every 24 hr. If 2 days passed, then the same free dodge will be there, just as similar to bonus IP win.

RetroRage96Oct 15, 20151 votes

No... too much. People would dodge for everything. What about people who play once or twice a day?

Malicious FuryOct 15, 20151 votes

They need to rework their advancement all together. This would help a little but you'd still see trolls all the time.

Lord WhatsisfaceOct 15, 20151 votes

Maybe you get matched with trolls because you dodge.

magic poleOct 15, 20151 votes

bad day to play ranked,especially promos

LadyRenlyOct 15, 20151 votes

ARAM gets a reroll, why not ranked?

xFrostKnightxOct 15, 20152 votes

ARAM = Fun mixed box of who will you get? You can roll the dice again to test your luck. Ranked = Serious.

Thats why. You do not want to add/do anything that would give people a reason to misbehave. Free dodge = People think, "Yes, free forgiveness to troll". No free dodge = People think "If I troll/dodge I'll lose points" Granted there's trolls currently (Bronze/Silver + some gold), a free dodge only encourages more people to troll which contradicts the logic of giving a free dodge.

Sir YamazukiOct 15, 20153 votes

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ARAM = Fun mixed box of who will you get? You can roll the dice again to test your luck.

That's what ranked is, your allies are all random and dodging is the equivalent of rerolling. SoloQ is partially luck, some matches will be absolutely impossible to win purely based on the randomness of your allies+opponents, and some games will be impossible to lose even if you tried to lose.

PiVoRxOct 15, 20151 votes

Promos needs to gtfo

GastonBarnaclesOct 15, 20151 votes

My opinion. Promos, nah. Series, 1

King OdinOct 15, 20151 votes

This means that 10 possible dodges in 1 game and when you start a new game you usually get some new people meaning that once again if someone doesn't liek that they didn't get their role they can dodge. Starting a game would take around half an hour.

IzbizOct 15, 20151 votes

I don't think a team who out-picked another team should not be rewarded.

pick/bans is part of that game. And remember that Sona who picked mid into Fizz is as similar rank as you, so what does that say about you?

The troll picks aren't frequent enough for there to be a problem. The boards are just cluttered with it because people come crying when it happens to them a few times.

SaiannaOct 15, 20151 votes

I know how you guys feel, but don't you think it's pointless?

Riot isn't the same company as they used to be. They won't help you in any way unless it concerns RP purchuase.

Yea, I know it's better to state your opinion, but lets me honest.. Your.. or mine.. or anyone elses opinion doesn't matter to Riot.

NeonSwordOct 15, 20151 votes

People get into diamond and plat while going through promos and people do bronze to diamond all the time without struggling in promos. You must just suck.