Items that should be melee only

DeusVult·Feb 15, 2016·9 votes·1,311 views

Why?? Basically all these items are meant for juggernauts/tanks/bruisers, but mainly juggernauts. Yet since they have come out we have seen ranged champs abuse some of these items. Like how every marksmen in LCS is building right now and becoming so tanky that they can do what Wildturtle did on yesterday against C9, aka hopping in 1v5 and being tanky enough to not get 1 shot so he can hop back out and keep fighting. And the spam in soloq, where everyone gets because of how his Q works with it. Try getting to or away from blue build ez as any sort of juggernaut/tank.

28 Comments

Remlap1223Feb 15, 20165 votes

No, no, no, and no.

Deadman's is already limited to Melees in order to proc its slow. Building it on a carry will make you vulnerable to magic damage.

Frozen mallet is just awful on anyone whose name isn't Sion. Just play Ashe if you really want a permaslow (not that that helps anyways because swifties exist.)

Sterak's only is prominent because assassins are a thing. If Riot actually cared to put a leash on these ridiculous burst damage dealers, Carries wouldn't be so gung ho on Sterak's. Personally, I still prefer Banshee's.

Iceborn gauntlet is literally only a thing on Ezreal. Take that away and you have Gragas, Taric, and maybe Malphite that use it effectively.

There shouldn't be a reason to sequester these items to melee champions, just have their unique passives stronger on melee champs. Deadman's already does this, I'm pretty sure Mallet already does this, and I'm pretty sure that Sterak's and Iceborn are having that done.

RogueWillFeb 15, 20161 votes

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No, no, no, and no.

Deadman's is already limited to Melees in order to proc its slow. Building it on a carry will make you vulnerable to magic damage.

Frozen mallet is just awful on anyone whose name isn't Sion. Just play Ashe if you really want a permaslow (not that that helps anyways because swifties exist.)

Sterak's only is prominent because assassins are a thing. If Riot actually cared to put a leash on these ridiculous burst damage dealers, Carries wouldn't be so gung ho on Sterak's. Personally, I still prefer Banshee's.

Iceborn gauntlet is literally only a thing on Ezreal. Take that away and you have Gragas, Taric, and maybe Malphite that use it effectively.

There shouldn't be a reason to sequester these items to melee champions, just have their unique passives stronger on melee champs. Deadman's already does this, I'm pretty sure Mallet already does this, and I'm pretty sure that Sterak's and Iceborn are having that done.

Actually Vi and Poppy can also abuse Iceborn if they go a more tanky build...but mostwill prefer the Triforce insteaed

Remlap1223Feb 15, 20161 votes

Vi is extremely sticky so I don't see why you'd need to build Iceborn, especially considering her Q is a mini-stun.

Poppy works much better with DMP, because she doesn't have to cast a spell, and she gets a free MS boost from simply running. Plus it gives her health. The CDR is nice, but Frozen Heart does the job better.

AlwaysByMySideFeb 15, 20161 votes

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Vi is extremely sticky so I don't see why you'd need to build Iceborn, especially considering her Q is a mini-stun.

Poppy works much better with DMP, because she doesn't have to cast a spell, and she gets a free MS boost from simply running. Plus it gives her health. The CDR is nice, but Frozen Heart does the job better.

Poppy builds DMP and IBG. IBG is basically core on her at this point in top lane and jungle.

Remlap1223Feb 15, 20161 votes

Now, this is just the opinion of a person in Shiny Bronze, but wouldn't it be better to stick her with Randuin's because it gives her health, and she's more of a diver anyways? Like I get it, CDR, but I always take her with the GODU keystone, so more health is always better.

AlwaysByMySideFeb 15, 20161 votes

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Now, this is just the opinion of a person in Shiny Bronze, but wouldn't it be better to stick her with Randuin's because it gives her health, and she's more of a diver anyways? Like I get it, CDR, but I always take her with the GODU keystone, so more health is always better.

Randuin's is situational and dependent on the enemy team.

IBG is pretty much always useful.

Also, I never said you rushed it. Your first item is Sunfire Cape if against AD, spirit visage against AP, or, if you want to do more damage, Black Cleaver (though I don't really see people building that on her anymore).

Critmaster GarenFeb 15, 20164 votes

yea, this pisses me off. on one hand theyre hesistant to put the "melee only" tag on these items, because they dont seem to want to limit people in their item builds.

but on the other hand, theyre clearly not ok with other champions than juggs regularly building this item. so instead theyre nerfing it.

so just screw it already and put limitations on these things so ranged ad cant abuse them. make them melee only, and have at least steraks require actual health stacking to get the shield.

AndrionarFeb 15, 20163 votes

I don't even know what Riot should do about those items. In my opinion it woud be unfair if you couldn't buy Dead man's plate on Graves or Quin, it would set them as junglers at disadvantage if they need an armour item, but would be forced to buy omen instead and enemie jungler could buy whatever he wants, he would have a lot more mobility.

I don't have an opinion on Frozen Mallet, didn't saw it on anyone for a long time, besides Kindred.

Sterak's Gage - this one obviously need drastical changes. It practicaly makes GA non-excistant, becouse it's much more cost efficient. It's almost the same like having Lulu in your team...

Iceborn - only Ezreal is broken with it atm. If Riot is going to nerf him even more, he will be to weak to be played. But honestly, I think, this item should be meele only, becouse theres no Marksman yet, who could use it at max efficienty, I mean theres much better items then Iceborn on ADC, besides Ez. Edited: this would the best fastest fix I could find, but obviously not the ideal one.

Critmaster GarenFeb 15, 20162 votes

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In my opinion it woud be unfair if you couldn't buy Dead man's plate on Graves or Quin,

they could buy sunfire. riot even added 50% extra damage to minions and monsters on the aura, which would speed up their jungling. so if there is one armor/health item for junglers, its this.

quinn certainly doesnt need the extra movment speed to roam. graves can still get mobies if he needs to roam better.

AndrionarFeb 15, 20162 votes

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they could buy sunfire. riot even added 50% extra damage to minions and monsters on the aura, which would speed up their jungling.

quinn certainly doesnt need the extra movment sped to roam. graves can still get mobies if he needs to roam better.

Wha the hell man??? Sunfire on Marksman? You're crazy or you think that everyone builds full tank graves? Every Marksman need distance not to die, theres no reason to be in meele range, so he won't be able to use sunfire passive at all. You can't even comapre them, Dead men's plate is for uility and sunfire cape helps to deal more demage over time, wich is Ideal for tanks, but totaly out of meta. Actualy Sunfire cap needs to be reoworked, becouse there's no space for it, epecialy then tanks can be bursted in a matter of seconds, besides malphite and rammus.

Edited: sory if I was to mean, I just checked that you're lvl 10 only. :D

Critmaster GarenFeb 15, 20161 votes

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Wha the hell man??? Sunfire on Marksman? You're crazy or you think that everyone builds full tank graves? Every Marksman need distance not to die, theres no reason to be in meele range, so he won't be able to use sunfire at all. You can't even comapre them, Dead men's plate is for uility and sunfire cape is for more demage over time, wich is Ideal for tanks.

you were looking for an armor item for jungle graves and jungle quinn, saying they would only have randuins next to dead mans.

they dont. sunfire cape would be the cheaper alternative for defense. and it would help both of them in the jungle. the aura has enough range for graves to be useful at the very least, since he gets closer to his targets to hit with multiple bullets.

AndrionarFeb 15, 20162 votes

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you were looking for an armor item for jungle graves and jungle quinn, saying they would only have randuins next to dead mans.

they dont. sunfire cape would be the cheaper alternative for defense. and it would help both of them in the jungle. the aura has enough range for graves to be useful at the very least, since he gets closer to his targets to hit with multiple bullets.

In my opinon it's not worth building and I'm sure that most players would agree with me, especialy on champions with high burst like graves. He has one of the fastest clears, so it would make almost no difference. I would never buy sunfire cape on anyone in s6, except kinderhulk on a tank/peeler.

Phoenix Kotori Feb 15, 20161 votes

You're anti-range troll go away, sunfire on Quinn would literally break her ult so often its not funny.

Gnart Even CloseFeb 15, 20163 votes

the only abuse case of frozen mallet is gnar. without gnar, i don't think anyone would build it at all. i would rather they remove it than make it melee only, because it is an extremely frustrating item to play against and honestly doesn't add anything to the game. trust me, gnar can live without it. there are plenty of other items for him, and he can kite fine without it.

DominosThotFeb 15, 20162 votes

I do think Ice Gaunlet needs a major nerf. Ezreal being able to slow like that every 2 seconds is insanely obnoxious. Give that shit a 10 second cool down or something.

Remlap1223Feb 15, 20161 votes

They're tying the AOE to armor count. So Ezreal will be able to slow one person, but Taric can slow the entire team.

KyrrionFeb 15, 20162 votes

Ranged champs can abuse Deadman's? You would think the only benefit being +50 damage for one attack wouldn't justify the buy - after all the full 100 stacks getting a slow is already melee only... Might as well get Randuin's instead to become beefier and have better slows. But eh, that's just me.

Illâoi Evê SiônFeb 15, 20163 votes

The mobility is great for vision control, dodging spells (which effectively makes you tankier), and landing your own CC.

Billy VoHagenFeb 15, 20162 votes

Then we should make rapid fire cannon ranged only.

Critmaster GarenFeb 15, 20166 votes

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Then we should make rapid fire cannon ranged only.

who the fuck builds rapid fire cannon on a melee champion anyways? the range increase is 35% which means it really only affects ranged champions with an already high auto attack range.

so go ahead. i dont care. ranged adc abusing melee items is often much worse than the other way round.

Billy VoHagenFeb 15, 20164 votes

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who the fuck builds rapid fire cannon on a melee champion anyways?

Rengar

Critmaster GarenFeb 15, 20162 votes

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one nieche case. i still dont care. make it a ranged only item if you want to. at least not every adc and assassin is gonna absuse jugg items anymore.

Remlap1223Feb 15, 20163 votes

Is this a thing? Like is this really a thing? Does that shit literally work on his leap?

Billy VoHagenFeb 15, 20163 votes

Yeah.

ProfDrDeathFeb 15, 20161 votes

No, it does not work. Rengar's Leap Range is hardcoded to 600/750 units.

TroiannFeb 15, 20161 votes

Rapidfire cannon increases Rengar's leap range by such a pathetic amount it's just about worthless.

You buy it for the cheap crit and bursty portion. And Dekar, the best Rengar, never even built it after they stopped letting the damage stack.

DeusVultFeb 15, 20161 votes

It should be ranged only, but then again there is only 1 melee abuser of that item and that is Rengar because of his leap

meanwhile ADCs have abused jungler/bruiser itemization for multiple seasons

CrossetteFeb 15, 20162 votes

Calling item 3022 and item 3742 juggernaut items

what the fuck man

everyone ( Gnar ) uses that bonus movespeed and chase potential, taking it away would BUFF juggernauts

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