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New Runes on Vladimir

Brutalitops01··3 votes·10,733 views

Hi! So, I'm one of the guys who got in on the now reopened PBE signups and I was thinking about trying out Vlad. Main issue is, I really don't know which rune set to run. I mean, Overheal is amazing for him; it's the first one I thought of to use on him. However, Precision isn't the best tree for him other than that. I think that Arcane Comet or Phase Rush would be his best keystones, however, for the purpose of the increased healing, I would like to go Resolve. I can see Grasp as being somewhat useful on top lane Vlad, because you auto people a lot anyway and the bonus health every time you proc it basically gives you an infinite AP scaling.

I'm thinking of 3 pages that could all be pretty good, but I'm not sure how good any 1 page will be.

Resolve/Precision:

Grasp of the Undying Every 4 seconds in combat, your next basic attack deals bonus damage based on your max health, heals you for 1/4 that amount (1/2 that amount for melee), and gives you +2 permanent bonus health (+5 for melee).

Perseverance Gain Tenacity and Slow Resist for every summoner spell on cooldown. Using a summoner spell grants a burst of both stats.

Conditioning After 10 minutes, gain +6 Armor/MR and increase your total Armor/MR by 5% (can also go into either of the other 2 on this line; choose based on lane)

Revitalize Heals and shields are 5% stronger, increased by an additional 10% on targets below 40% health

Overheal Excess healing becomes a shield

Coup de Grace Deal bonus damage to enemies with low health. Gain AP after kills.

Sorcery/Resolve:

Phase Rush After hitting an enemy with 3 unique spells, gain movement speed for a bit

The Ultimate Hat Gain ult cooldown every time you cast your ult

Transcendence Gain 10% CDR at level 10. Excess CDR becomes AP

Gathering Storm Every 10 minutes, gain bonus AP

Conditioning line and Revitalize

Sorcery/Precision

Same as the last one, but with Precision for secondary.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

6 Comments

NavyDivea1 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8100-8112?build=10010126 Harass

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8300-8359?build=42200106 Snowball

Cursed Monster1 votes

If u are a vladimir main I'm sure u feel u need Ignite for early snow ball or wining lane but in late game ghost is really better so i Think Summoner Specialist can be a Good choice Some thing like This maybe

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8300-8326?build=40210238 ( when your E proc it count as moment impair so i think Approach Velocity can be good )

this mean you also can abuse CDR on your Ghost With Summoner Specialist give u 25% , 10% CDR with CDR boots item 3158 and 5% Cosmic Insight CDR means 40% CDR on Your summoner spells which mean 180s x (100%-40%) = 108s - 15s = 93s CD on ur Ghost it means u gonna have Ghost less than 2 min CD that means EVERY FIGHT u have a ghost. Who need Storm Raider or Phase Rush any more?

Or Some thing like these can be useful I think:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8200-8230?build=22202160 (Arcane Comet also can be good)

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update#builder (Overgrowth is also nice chose there I think)

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8200-8230?build=22202040 (Triumph also can be good)

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8200-8230?build=22202326 (Future's Market and Approach Velocity can be good)

Brutalitops011 votes

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If u are a vladimir main I'm sure u feel u need Ignite for early snow ball or wining lane but in late game ghost is really better so i Think Summoner Specialist can be a Good choice Some thing like This maybe

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8300-8326?build=40210238 ( when your E proc it count as moment impair so i think Approach Velocity can be good )

this mean you also can abuse CDR on your Ghost With Summoner Specialist give u 25% , 10% CDR with CDR boots item 3158 and 5% Cosmic Insight CDR means 40% CDR on Your summoner spells which mean 180s x (100%-40%) = 108s - 15s = 93s CD on ur Ghost it means u gonna have Ghost less than 2 min CD that means EVERY FIGHT u have a ghost. Who need Storm Raider or Phase Rush any more?

Or Some thing like these can be useful I think:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8200-8230?build=22202160 (Arcane Comet also can be good)

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update#builder (Overgrowth is also nice chose there I think)

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8200-8230?build=22202040 (Triumph also can be good)

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8200-8230?build=22202326 (Future's Market and Approach Velocity can be good)

Looking at your pages:

First off, I am not a Vladimir main. I used to main him several seasons ago, when he was a broken freelo top laner, but haven't played him a whole lot since.

Second, I wouldn't have expected Vladimir mains would actually run ignite. I just figured that ghost is always better.

I don't see much of a use for Future's Market. I mean, you hit your spikes earlier, but in the end, you pay more for them, delaying your late game. I would rather run Magical Footwear or Minion Dematerializer. Why hit your spikes sooner, but get punished later when you can use the dematerializers to kill minions and farm for you and then later get more pushing power?

Transcendence and Gathering Storm are also both really good, but what about The Ultimate Hat? Get that ult with 60% CDR. I would probably run that over Transcendence, and then item 3158 item 3152 item 3157 and either item 3001 item 3102 will get you to 45%. I think The Ultimate Hat, Celerity, or Absolute Focus would be better. You're Vladimir, so if you're not permanently getting the benefits from Absolute Focus, who is? So that's 40 bonus AP instead of 2 per 1 CDR you have over the cap. The first 45% don't count towards it, since you're getting them as CDR. And Celerity is giving you 8% of your movement speed as AP, so that might come out to being even more than Gathering Storm's while you have Ghost on.

And what do you think of the idea of running a rune that gives you permanent health (and therefore permanent AP) scaling on top lane Vladimir? You can reliably poke your lane opponent with basic attacks and Qs, so you'll be getting a lot of health from Grasp. Even if it is only 2 per, you can get one every time it's up, which is every 4 seconds. It also gives you access to heal boosts and even more permanent health scaling (0.2% for every 8th minion that dies near you).

Finally, looking at the actual stats for Overheal, and having played with it some on the PBE, I'm honestly not a huge fan of it. You can tell it was designed for that one guy who gets a Soraka 1-trick as his support. 30% of self healing and 300% of healing from allies goes into the shield, so it's basically useless if you're trying to get it on yourself as, say, Vladimir or Warwick or someone else who has a ton of self healing. I know I listed it in my rune set, but that was before playing a couple of games with it and knowing the math.

Cursed Monster1 votes

I'm kinda vladimir main and I love playing him but my style is different with yours i build full ap mid lane vlad and my build is something like this item 3158 item 3152 item 3151 item 3157 item 3135 item 3089 or item 3020 item 3165 item 3151 item 3157 item 3135 item 3089 with 10% cdr in runes.

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Second, I wouldn't have expected Vladimir mains would actually run ignite. I just figured that ghost is always better.

Yes they take ignite as u can see here http://uupload.ir/files/0r4d_2.png in KR Ignite have 60% pick rate and better win rate vs ghost

I don't see much of a use for Future's Market. I mean, you hit your spikes earlier, but in the end, you pay more for them, delaying your late game. I would rather run Magical Footwear or Minion Dematerializer. Why hit your spikes sooner, but get punished later when you can use the dematerializers to kill minions and farm for you and then later get more pushing power?

About that as u can see here http://uupload.ir/files/4unl_1.png vladimir have a strong late game and weak early game and in the league of legends game works base on snow ball and mistake stack and become harder to comeback so it means better early = better late game. I think sacrificing a bit late game for stronger early is fine and worth it. Also Magical Footwear cant be a option here because move speed is huge part of vlad kit even in top to get in range land your Q.

Transcendence and Gathering Storm are also both really good, but what about The Ultimate Hat? Get that ult with 60% CDR. I would probably run that over Transcendence, and then and either will get you to 45%. I think The Ultimate Hat, Celerity, or Absolute Focus would be better. You're Vladimir, so if you're not permanently getting the benefits from Absolute Focus, who is? So that's 40 bonus AP instead of 2 per 1 CDR you have over the cap. The first 45% don't count towards it, since you're getting them as CDR. And Celerity is giving you 8% of your movement speed as AP, so that might come out to being even more than Gathering Storm's while you have Ghost on.

Vlad abuse CDR big time and its most important stat on him i personally i order them some thing like this CDR>Magic pen>AP>MS these are 4 huge thing in vladimir kit u need CDR for more damage more sustain also u can use more empowered Q , magic pen is just op and work on any AP champ , then AP give u Hp and More dmg And Move speed because you are low range mage with no cc or mobility ability. I personally rather having CDR but move speed is nice too (Celerity) but I'm not sure about being above 70% hp to get that ap because 2 of your ability cost 8% max HP and 20% current HP its ez to get low , yeah its ez to come back above 70% too but when you are low more ap u got more heal u get and u won't benefits of Absolute Focus in this case.

And what do you think of the idea of running a rune that gives you permanent health (and therefore permanent AP) scaling on top lane Vladimir? You can reliably poke your lane opponent with basic attacks and Qs, so you'll be getting a lot of health from Grasp. Even if it is only 2 per, you can get one every time it's up, which is every 4 seconds. It also gives you access to heal boosts and even more permanent health scaling (0.2% for every 8th minion that dies near you).

Doesn't work for me since I play him mid lane. but HP Dosen't scale well on vladimir even somehow u manage proc grasp 200 time which mean 400 hp it only give u 16 AP so i don't think this worth it.

Finally, looking at the actual stats for Overheal, and having played with it some on the PBE, I'm honestly not a huge fan of it. You can tell it was designed for that one guy who gets a Soraka 1-trick as his support. 30% of self healing and 300% of healing from allies goes into the shield, so it's basically useless if you're trying to get it on yourself as, say, Vladimir or Warwick or someone else who has a ton of self healing. I know I listed it in my rune set, but that was before playing a couple of games with it and knowing the math.

I'm agree with u in this case. but in case your team have healing it can work both by u and your team mates.

Also i looked up your rank and its silver 2 i think you need more game knowledge in order we can continue this Discussion sry if the last one looks harsh but i want to be honest with u.

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