I Don't See the Point of Omnistone

Brutalitops01·12/27/2019, 2:53:26 AM·15 votes·11,544 views

As the title says, I don't see why Omnistone exists. They didn't like that very few champions were taking Kleptomancy, so instead they made a rune that literally guarantees 100% of the time that there would ALWAYS be a better option for every champion in the game than the rune that they created.

Sure, the idea of Omnistone is fun. Your runes cycle around between different ones that you could feasibly proc, and that produces a good environment in the name of fun.

But you also have to concede that it is solely for fun due to the random aspect of it. Because it's random which rune you get, and because you have no way of knowing which rune you'll get next, you have to play around it with that in mind. It's unique and fun, but it totally and completely removes any chances of it being competitively viable on any champion. Why would I take this rune, which randomly shifts me around between different runes (some of which are always suboptimal to not have as your primary rune - I'm looking at you, Dark Harvest, being almost completely useless if it's randomly rolled from this - and all of which are better for certain champions than for others), when I can take a rune that is always optimal for my champion?

To replace a niche rune that a few champions used, they created a useless rune that no competitive player will ever use for any reason, because there is no reason to use it.

So how do you fix it? Do you buff up the runes that it gives you? Obviously not because then it becomes overpowered. If the runes that it gives you are stronger than their base forms, it almost always becomes better to take it than to take a different rune.

How I would have fixed the issue that they had with Kleptomancy was by doing something similar to what they did with the passive portion of Zoe's W: Spell Thief. This item randomly marks minions with balloons to drop Summoner Spells and Item Actives that Zoe can then pick up to use with her W. So, do the same thing with Kleptomancy. Say, every 4th minion kill that you get, you will receive an extra 5 gold for. Occasionally, some minions will be marked, very visibly, to let other players know that, if the person with Kleptomancy kills that minion, they will get randomly rolled consumables from what Kleptomancy could drop.

This way, it benefits the late game scaling champions even more by giving them access to extra gold from farming while also giving the opponent opportunities to combat against their opponent getting the randomly dropped consumables.

47 Comments

Eybdoog12/27/2019, 4:19:01 AM6 votes

You can’t balance this keystone is the problem. Many champions are balanced around optimal keystones. And when you chose a keystone that isn’t really a keystone you’re asking for an impossible balancing act

EyceAether12/27/2019, 6:27:04 AM5 votes

I find Omnistone is really interesting as a tool because it encourages you to change your playstyle at different moments. I find myself playing completely differently depending on what Keystone I get. I've also found that I rarely if ever get a useless Keystone.

MuffledGarbage12/27/2019, 5:07:42 AM4 votes

omnistone is honestly kinda interesting tbh. I've experimented with it a good bit on a few champs and I've found a few fringe cases of use:

Yorick can abuse almost every keystone in the game so omnistone works well to allow different methods of attacking enemies while also not allowing someone to counterpick you. Normally yorick is fairly weak against champions who have fast attack speeds but I get aery or comet with omnistone then I can circumvent that weakness by changing my playstyle on the fly.

That's something other keystones can't do for yorick that omnistone does well with him, at least

NelsieLisnen12/27/2019, 6:26:20 PM3 votes

Just a small observation, Dark Harvest is not actually useless. Its stacks increase the potency of the rest of the keystones you roll

Clapper of Asses12/28/2019, 1:19:19 AM2 votes

i like using it on Skarner

Metal Janna12/27/2019, 4:13:52 AM2 votes

So if it's always suboptimal then why'd they have to nerf it on ranged? Maybe because... it's not?

Meritas12/28/2019, 12:37:56 AM1 votes

Best part is, if it does somehow become viable on anychampion, Riot will remove it because it's causing unintended/toxic gameplay and warping the game. [sg-lulu]

Arammus12/28/2019, 12:42:58 AM1 votes

to identify trolls.

literally only saw it used in aram, or when someone ended up going stuff like 0/20

xGvPx12/28/2019, 1:51:01 AM1 votes

It's garbage. Everyone knows it. They'll remove it eventually.

spookdegrace12/28/2019, 8:10:32 AM1 votes

I played with a Taric mid who ran omnistone and built support after gauntlet and he sort of carried. Only time I've seen it in a game

Dealth12/28/2019, 8:26:39 AM1 votes

The problem is that people who are designing this game should NOT be designing this game. It's got substantially worse and worse and everyone knows it. Everybody knows omnistone is a flop but someone there at Riot thought it'd be a good idea, probably because they completely do not understand game design

The Highest Noon12/28/2019, 2:40:15 PM1 votes

Omnistone is at a glance a terrible idea and I don't know how that got passed the development stage. Then again, I don't have the game analytics so I can't more precisely say whether or not it's good.

I can however say that I don't use that shit.

Hi im 1212/27/2019, 4:12:41 AM1 votes

they made a rune that literally guarantees 100% of the time that there would ALWAYS be a better option for every champion in the game than the rune that they created.

funny way of saying its broken on twisted fate, jayce and viktor (probably more that we don't know about)

VampiricLlama12/29/2019, 6:24:18 AM1 votes

Bard Karma TwistedFate Viktor seem able to use it pretty well.

xHeimtechZX12/27/2019, 4:24:57 AM1 votes

Some champions are flexible and can run different runes. There's a bug with Omnistone Predator so you can keep activating Predator when you have it when you upgrade your boots.

JackMcCarry12/27/2019, 12:08:59 PM1 votes

This rune will never be good, it's bad from the concept, outside of fucking around, there is ZERO reason why a champion would pick a random keystone every X seconds over one that he can actually play around, even champions who are flexible in their rune choices like Vlad will always prefer to get a good reliable keystone over a random one every trade.

"oh good, i got DH, now i can get my 2nd DH stack in 15 minutes" "oh nice i got predetor in the middle of a teamfight" "Great! i got Lethal tempo on a mage" "Nice! i got commet - gonna be some sick poke for the next 1 (ONE) spell i hit"

Why would you ever pick onmistone and not just maximize your rune choice by picking a rune that you can actually play around is beyond me.

Kadexe12/27/2019, 8:10:02 PM1 votes

I'm almost certain they hacked it together at the last minute when they decided to remove Kleptomancy. There is no possible niche for this rune.

Salty Mc Feed12/27/2019, 11:57:36 PM1 votes

There is so much wrong with how the rune trees are structured and there inconsistent theme or rather lack of a clear theme, I just don't care anymore, does another filler rune really matter? The whole theme of the inspiration tree doesn't make any sense to me, not to mention that the other trees are also messy, but inspiration is a special case of "we needed to fill this tree up somehow with silly stuff to justify its existence".

Literally any rune from the other trees could also be in inspiration (rule bending and creative tools) because every rune does kinda bend the rules and runes just ARE creative tools. At least 50% of all the runes from all trees would thematically fit in a different of the other 3 trees. Just read the description for each tree and then go through the runes and think about it... were would this rune fit best? You will see. It's really obvious.

How the fuck can you balance it when Riot obviously released it in a state where they didn't even know what the trees were supposed to do? They really need to rework the whole thing... and this time have an actual plan.

Ensign Torpedo12/28/2019, 12:17:48 AM1 votes

Fixing Omnistone is quite simple - just make the player choose two rune groups (Domination/sorcery/inspiration etc) that would work with it. That way you can pick Xin Zhao and get all the good things choosing Precision and Domination - Press the Attack, Conqueror, Lethal Tempo, Hail of Blades, Electrocute and Predator. Dark Harvest is useful occasionally and only one rune is completely useless. It would still be a niche, but a bit less random. Also, they should bring back Klepto and REMOVE THE FUCKING GLACIAL AUGMENT I AM FED UP WITH THIS SHIT FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE.