It is the same reason of why cod is popular and arena are dying cod let's everyone have a kill even if you suck ass meanwhile unreal tournament is dying cause it is very competitive.Those champions have everything in their kit and are a reason of why this game is so popular for this reason riot wont change them they have so much that let everyone and their dog make a play
Phyuq Yiu5 votesI picture it like a mtg or Yu-gi-oh card game. If you are Ekko you have like 20 cards. If you are Udyr you have like 6 cards. So udyr plays bear stance. Ekko, on his turn uses a draw 2 cards, uses another draw 2 cards, lays down a trap card, discards a card and shuffles his deck to look for any card. Stun! insta delete! enemy team closing in. Slow them all. Delete a couple... Ult away from low HP to full. Wow gj you have all the control, you make the plays. So good. GJ Ekko.
Jmman5 votesthis is true.
When a skill can but used for different things it adds to the "counters" to be played.
The problem with thresh is he has the lantern and Hook/flay. Blitz misses the hook he can only knock up or ult. But Thresh can still lantern someone in and get the away or bring in another champ to help. There is no punishment for missing or saving spells for defense due to Lantern. So he has 4 offensive and then 4 defensive skills to use. This is like 8 skills. Compared to another support that might have 2 defensive and 2 offensive skill. (same reason Lulu was strong.) Next you have his tankiness with good poke/ offensive. DOES HE NEED TO BE RANGED? no but why not put the cherry on the cake.
Lee is the same.
AD items are going to same path. Assassins stop adc mages stop assassins and adc stop tanks bruiser/tanks stopped mages/assassins etc. But Since they added a lot of resists, clickies, pen etc it has over loaded their items. Now you have AD that can't be stopped by some "natural" counters. And ALOT of bruisers / adc are busted atm.
Ahristocats3 votesyeah i love how thresh can heal his team against poke
i love how thresh can burst an adc each 40 sec like blitz how he can tank a billion of damage with knight's vow like braum how he can increase his movement speed and catch an adc like blitz how he can block every projectile of twitch like braum how he can stop vel'koz ult from far away like janna while vel'koz being behind his team
it's hilarious how he has everything
BakedLotion3 votes[{quoted}](name=WTF DARIUS ADC ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TEEvVLnz,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-06-19T12:58:00.411+0000)
yeah i love how thresh can heal his team against poke
i love how thresh can burst an adc each 40 sec like blitz how he can tank a billion of damage with knight's vow like braum how he can increase his movement speed and catch an adc like blitz how he can block every projectile of twitch like braum
it's hilarious how he has everything
I think u need to notice when someone is exaggerating And chill out lol
Ahristocats3 votesthat's not exageration, that's being stupid
thresh's kit was made to peel by relocating allies anyone thinking that his spells can also be used offensively without drawback is stupid
braum's spells can all be used offensively without drawbacks if thresh tries to use his hook offensively he has a 0.5 sec delay, his ult has 0.75 sec delay, his flay has between 0.25 and 0.5 sec delay his base stats are garbage with 47 base ad, he can only poke from 450 range with his E passive, else he will lose a 2v2 because he also has 16 base armor, no armor per level compensated by trash souls that makes him needing 98 souls to get nami's armor he has no tank steroid except a 220 hp shield
saying that he has everything is being stupid
true story
CrabPeopleReform1 votesjinx vayne lee sin thresh zed ahri player
Ahristocats2 voteswait are you talking about yourself?
CrabPeopleReform1 votesno you only someone who plays these champions can talk like thsi
dolce de leche1 votesPlease stop acting like you are better than people. It's rude and a bit confusing for those who encounter this while actually trying to have a discussion. Your insults are petty and baseless, just like your arguments.
Kappa.
dolce de leche2 votesIgnore this guy. He is a draven player who throws around insults that aren't even true to try and act high minded but he can't even come up with a good argument outside of a champ being a generalist. Since I'm making these claims I'll help you out some. Thresh may seem like a generalist, but due to his large mana costs and cool downs, until late game, when his tank build, which is the only viable one, falls off, he is much more of a two way street. What I mean by this is his abilities must be used to either peel or initiate, and to address the "no skill" argument to do so he must land a hook. While rooted in place, so one must predict the movement of an enemy, toss a lantern, predicting your allies movement to maximize efficiency, and flay, which is pretty easy. Because thresh only has for abilities, and they all must be used in tandem, or all together towards one cause, and each ability is skill based, no point and click anything, thresh must take a gamble, bringing strategic difficulty into the mix as well. Thresh is still strong, I must admit, so I won't argue viability, but how much skill is needed, is a different matter entirely.
Ahristocats2 votesthresh needs a nerf, but that doesn't allow people to say that he has everything
in the past when people needed braum, they didn't pick thresh over him now in LCK braum is in top3 pick behind thresh and lulu
if thresh can do everything why braum is even picked?
dolce de leche1 votesI agree w/ you. Btw what's with the name change? Idk but I thought that your name was always Janna x Rubick. Never expected that to change. But hey, I don't know you in the least, just asking cuz I have nothing else and wanted to post tbh.
Ahristocats2 votesyou certainly do not know me then, i change my name each 2 months, the board knew me as Rubick X sona, Dr Sona X Rubick, gH God, or janna x rubick
i grew tired of solo queue and found a d1 support main willing to support adc darius i took this name to make fun of people who will rage at me for picking adc darius
dolce de leche1 votesK thx. Pretty sure I started parusing the board heavily around your last name change. My memory isnt great so that explains a bit.
Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votesHow could anyone get to know you when you keep changing your name :^D People have enough trouble finding you!
dolce de leche1 votesDidn't even notice it was you. Lol. Hi Rubick.
1374341 votesThresh and Lee Sin are both fun to play, even when you and/or your teammates are doing poorly, and have cool thematics that resonant well/interest people (especially Thresh). That is why they are popular, even when they are balanced or arguably in a weak state in the meta.
AbiwonKenabi1 votesI've seen enough bad Lee Sin and Thresh players to know this is just not true. Just a few games ago, I laned against a Thresh who landed basically no hooks in lane. I've seen Lee Sin kick an enemy away to live another day. These Champions aren't just free plays.
Champs like Lee and Thresh are played because they're FUN. People enjoy the way their kits play. They have a satisfying mastery curve and it feels good when you pull off a play because of your understanding of the game and the Champion. There are some very dedicated mains out there for nearly every Champion proving this point: players care primarily about having fun in a video game. Every Champion has people who enjoy them, these types of Champs are just more popular because their kits have more interesting and fun interactions.
I saw someone use Udyr as an example. Now, I know plenty of people who have fun with Udyr, but not nearly as many as someone like Lee. That's probably because Udyr's kit is not nearly as engaging, and most of his contributions amount to simple button presses. Vs Lee, who has a skill shot, some decision making attached to that skill shot, an ult that can be used in several different ways, and more. There's more opportunity for a Lee player to express his skill than an Udyr player. That makes him generally more fun (for most people, not all).