if kayle isnt broken AF can someone explains this?

jng dif victim·Mar 25, 2019·4 votes·1,515 views

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Vulkus IMar 25, 20193 votes

Here come the excuses.

The EcdysiastMar 25, 20191 votes

She's basically a new champion and it's now been long enough for people to realize how to play her. She's only as broken as most champions are when they're new or get a full rework. She'll be adjusted. No need to worry.

Dokueki KenshinMar 25, 20191 votes

Yep. Not to mention that her early game is booty. If you’ve got a Kayle in your game, you go in on her hard early game by either constantly dueling her or with heavy jungle pressure. If you set her back early, she’s practically a siege minion for the rest of the game.

The EcdysiastMar 26, 20191 votes

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Yep. Not to mention that her early game is booty. If you’ve got a Kayle in your game, you go in on her hard early game by either constantly dueling her or with heavy jungle pressure. If you set her back early, she’s practically a siege minion for the rest of the game.

Well, it's worth mentioning that that isn't actually stopping her from having such a high performance. So saying that her early is weak means nothing. Clearly it's not weak enough to be making a difference.

HethaleanMar 25, 20191 votes

Secret Riot Only Game Data shows she isn't op just like with Riven. Since 3rd party sites rely on the games that people 'refresh' their account information with, so there are probably games happening that aren't being counted.

Abibyama IIMar 25, 20191 votes

~~They did say that Kayle is OP in all elo according to their super secret data and that's why she's getting nerfed twice in a row~~

Edit: nevermind, I'm going to make a coffee

HethaleanMar 25, 20191 votes

He asked me to explain it, so I was being sarcastic.

Abibyama IIMar 25, 20191 votes

Oh fuck my life, I need a coffee.

My bad I'm usually good at detecting sarcasm

HethaleanMar 25, 20191 votes

I could have done better making it more obvious.

Stars ShaperMar 25, 20191 votes

Becuase she wins DPS races once she gets to 16.

Bring in a decent CC team and see her unable to do shizzle without being fully covered. Also she suffers high burst like what a Jayce brings on the table.

Want another counterpick to ruin her life? Mordekaiser She'll never get to 16 if you pick him and know what you are doing.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20191 votes

thats when you use klepto and q e him then gank his lane with her. i seen a morde in one of my matchups.

Stars ShaperMar 25, 20191 votes

You push hard and force her back to lose a lot of CS, leveling up W makes her unable to get close to any minion before 11 and so she either uses E/Q to farm or you dodge the Q and tank the E.

I got yanked by a Sylas indeed but the gap was so high that I got a double kill and both jungle buffs from Sylas.

I don’t recall if she used Klepto though, I think it was Fleet Footwork.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20191 votes

fleet footwork ewww. thats not even needed as kayle the more she lanes the stronger she gets. klepto gives her the item 2011 for her to get final form at level 15 or 14. that kayle must be a noob to use fleet. klepto vs morde gives free items (if chance allows) while you can item 2403 cannons minions then Q E lvl 6 mage minions. CS dont really matter with kayle its the fact if she collects EXP in lane kill her tower before level 11 as soon as possible and it will be difficult with her. currently she becomes farm-mode like how nasus works otherwise its a 4.5 vs 5 till level 11. but if she gets level 16 (or lesser with item 2011 ) there. its like facing 8v5 (in terms of power).

SithesisLordMar 25, 20191 votes

Actually, Klepto is only ideal on hard matchups, as you can offset the CS loss with the sacks of gold and selling the potions/elixirs you don't use.

That's why she's strong right now. Klepto allows her to completely bypass the part she's supposed to suffer the most whereas Fleet Footwork only slightly mitigates that suffering.

On the other hand, Klepto Kayle is significantly weaker late game than Kayle with any other keystone, because Klepto is a laning rune.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20191 votes

meh i use klepto due to the mentality "i can MAYBE reach level 16 sooner or i become ranged sooner" or just get lovely money with my level 6 q e mage minions wave clear im ok with the not so strong late game. if i wanna get serious about the whole thing where game power matters i get lethal tempo if i have a team that can hold the lane.

Stars ShaperMar 26, 20191 votes

I’ve played with FF and it’s not that bad, it gives you some good lane sustain. I too prefer Klepto.

Getting one of those skill elixirs wisn’t a given though, I remember I had to go on hitting the training dummy for 20 minutes at 0 cd on Kayle’s E to get one of them.

xDogMeatxMar 26, 20191 votes

I just have midas touch on me sometimes and touched that skill potion a couple times. I outdueled 3 (3 different games of course) trydemeres without a crit on me lvl 1.

Stars ShaperMar 26, 20191 votes

Can't outplay luck xD

xDogMeatxMar 26, 20191 votes

yep i just play with luck hardcore i love it when RNG is on my side. not to mention those 10% 2 or 3 in a row crits as a jhin.

jng dif victimMar 25, 20191 votes

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Becuase she wins DPS races once she gets to 16.

Bring in a decent CC team and see her unable to do shizzle without being fully covered. Also she suffers high burst like what a Jayce brings on the table.

Want another counterpick to ruin her life? She'll never get to 16 if you pick him and know what you are doing.

Then why morde isnt in her counter pick list ? actually there is no champion in her counter pick list

Stars ShaperMar 25, 20191 votes

Because Morde isn’t played much to begin with.

OleandervineMar 25, 20191 votes

She may win a lot, but that's only because her end game is entirely too bloated. The way to beat her is to literally end the game before she hits level 16, which is pretty shitty champion design in my opinion. She feels GROSS to play because of her cripplingly bad early game, and I just don't find that fun when it comes to how a champion should have been designed. The only reason that kind of imbalance works with ADCs is because they're in a duo lane, and their partner can protect them and fill in for their early game deficiencies, but it simply doesn't work the same in a solo lane.

Kayle DESPERATLEY NEEDS her kit readjusted. She needs to not be a coke baby in ICU until level 11, and needs to have some of her late game power trimmed. I don't give a shit what her numbers are showing, she's just dreadful to play, and too much of a liability to your team, because she's too easy to kill and too easy to bully out of the lane and too easy to steal first turret from. No champion should be so helpless and useless as she feels early game in a solo lane, so something has got to give. Like, I applaud them for what they were trying to do, but NONE of the other hyper carries, not Cassiopeia, not Vayne, not even Yasuo, have as miserable of an early game as Kayle does. Not a one.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20191 votes

cuz shes fun? not broken.