If Thresh having a 48% winrate means he is "not that good" then why is his pickrate 40%

Thank god they finally nerfed Janna and made her a not every game pick. Anyone with such a defined niche shouldn't be such a good generalist pick too.

If you don't understand why Blitz is so much better than Thresh in Solo Q, I can't help you. Just know that comparing the 2 because they both have hooks doesn't make them similar champions in any respect. Thresh and Nautilus is a far better comparison.

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I wouldn't say he's go to for people who don't play Support. Because people who don't play Support are bad at him.

And? He is an insanely forgiving champion,he is also pretty fucking op,isn't that a great pick for a role you can't play? Yes that results in a sub 50% winrate,but isn't that the case for all offrole picks?

Yes you can

I picked thresh because they stole bard, got blue screened in the middle of the game and still came back and won

this champ is easy, you don't need to be more than 'decent' to succeed with him

My first point isn't wrong just because it's not absolute. Fun is definitely a factor for many people, but it's probably not the most important for very many. Evelynn is my favorite champ to play, but I fucking suck with her beyond all explanation, so I play Zyra. I like Zyra less, but my win rate is nearly double, so I play Zyra.

Take Lux for example. Her kit has had zero changes to its core mechanics in season 5. She's had 1 buff and 2 QoL changes to make her easier to play. Her play rate has nearly doubled since June. "Fun" is not a factor here.

Your examples may be related to fun, but I think they're also tied to a few other things. First, each of those champs is viewed as having a toxic, frustrating, and/or overloaded kit. People hate playing against them, and I think some players like playing champs for the tilt factor.

But the most important thing about all of these champs (and others like Ahri) is that they're flashy as fuck. You can be horrible at playing them and still feel like you're a great player because you were able to hit the R button. If you want to feel like a playmaker but still suck, pick one of these guys. That said, they're aspirational champs; if you put in the time and hone your skill with them, you can control games.

Maybe all of that combined is what you call "fun." I think it's more that they have the illusion of skill without requiring much skill and turn into wrecking balls once skill is actually there. In other words, players like them for the same reason Riot likes seeing them in LCS - fast pace and high impact.

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Yea, I agree with you, and i'm not just saying this because I don't want thresh to be nerfed. I'm a diamond thresh main, and I have come to realize that thresh can be beat by a lot of supports, but what most people don't realize is how to do so. Here's a couple tips:

Let's face it,everything can be beaten,the question is: is the matchup fair,or is it in favor of thresh? Because if it's the latter(and it generally is) then thresh should be nerfed.

1. If he starts hook, then harass him level 1, he wont have much damage to auto you back, plus his range is quite small compared to adc's.

He generally will start with flay unless he sees kill potential.

2. If he starts flay, and reaches level 2, try to stay with minions and use them to your advantage. Kite him around while he tries to find a spot to hook you, and by the time he does, he's be chunked.

I'm guessing you are talking about this from a ranged matchup point,here's the thing,flay+aa+follow up from both adcs and he outtrades the vast majority of ranged supports,it's the worst part about him,he doesn't need his hook to trade favorably.

3. Once his hook is on cooldown, GO IN on him, like hard. He will only have his flay up, which yea, is still pretty strong, but you should be able to give him quite a bit of damage if he continues to play aggressive without hook.

This works for certain tanks supports,specifically naut/braum(and don't get me started on how braum is retarded sack of moronic garbage,he is only allowed to exist to offset thresh),unfortunately for ranged support...flay+empowered aas will outtrade them.

4. A common tip, and it says on his "counters". Thresh players like to go for souls, and they don't get punished enough for it.. so do so!

Again,you need to realize this: thresh is a scary motherfucker(the same holds for all tank supports),getting near him as a ranged support is very risky,hence why janna is so good against him,she has no intention to get near him in most cases.

5. Most thresh players (at higher elo) will try to predict your sidestep. Depending on how good the thresh is, or what elo, after a couple hook's you'll see how he throws them, and then try to either stand still, go a way you dont normally go, or just go in, they usually don't expect that.

This is the standard skillshot mind game,he can also expect you to do that and aim for that,his hook can be dodge,but you will eventually get hit.

6. For champions to beat him with, you can go Blitzcrank, Janna, Braum, Alistar. All work if you know what you're doing. As well as a pretty good sona. She's a pain for me in lane xD

Yes,but here's the thing: all of these can be beaten by thresh as well,and for most of them,the matchup is in thresh's favor if he is good at thresh(unless it's braum,fuck braum).

As to sona,people who don't play her don't notice it,but yes,she can lane vs thresh...sort of,it's pretty even,maybe a bit in her favor...and then junglers get involved,you may think "oh look I threw lantern to jungler,me so gud",but the sona player just gets nauseated from this bullshit,her pickrate is low for a reason.

There's more, but if you really want a detailed list I guess just msg me, but all in all, thresh isn't that amazing and super op as people make him out to be. It's usually just players that don't get how to lane against him, and don't want to take the time to learn, which is just plain stupid if you hate him.

Except that he is: Pretty fucking strong in all matchups,most of them are in his favor. Excellent roam(that's how you easily beat janna). Excellent synergy with jungers(a VERY big strength). Excellent safety from ganks,due to tankiness+insane peel+lantern for carry,which is honestly critical in this meta,as bot lane gets a lot of focus.

Thresh is amazing at many things,and weak at nothing,yes,he's op. And fuck braum.

Obvious bug is obvious.

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Play Thresh. You will see how his engage pales in comparison to Leona's

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/54954429.jpg

(Oh and to add insult to injury, a good Thresh can stop Leona's engage dead in it's tracks with his flay)