Hitting Rengar with CC during his jump and still dying in half a second does not feel good
Why is it even necessary for his combo to be uninterruptable?
Why is it even necessary for his combo to be uninterruptable?
Same goes for damned hecarim who you will also cc but his E will go out anyways.
you can flash this perfectly and still get hit - pisses me off.
And also some other jumps!
It is because it is technically an auto attack modifier. That is like saying you can dodge jinx q rockets with flash before they hit you because it is an ability.
It's particularly janky to headbutt him as Alistar.
You'll end up doing some anime shit where you both shoot past one another and THEN move in regards to your respective CC abilities.
Same goes for damned hecarim who you will also cc but his E will go out anyways.
That doesnt actually happen though, unless he´s already very close and has started the E animation.
Lol, what?
"This doesn't happen, but it does"
Lol.
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Lol, what?
"This doesn't happen, but it does"
Lol.
Heca´s E is a speedboost that goes into a unstoppable dash once he gets into ....going from basically next to you to like 250 range depending on how far he´s gone with his E, average melee range is like 170-180, marksmen tend to have around 550 and mages 600+ on abilities.
Plenty of opportunity to hit him with some ranged CC before he gets into his range provided he hasnt activated a shitton of other movespeed boosters at the same time at which point you might not have much time at all, or the ability to hit him.
So indeed,,,,,,Heca´s E is pretty easily stopped as long as he doesnt get to start the animation , unlike Rengar who has like....600 range on his dash and the damage applies the moment he passes 1/3rd of the jump distance or something.
Except it's not unstoppable is it? Lolz
Rengar players be like: ThErEs ToNs Of CoUnTeRpLaY jUsT 5 mAn CoUnTeRjUnGlE
Rengar players be like: ThErEs ToNs Of CoUnTeRpLaY jUsT 5 mAn CoUnTeRjUnGlE
To be honest I really don't understand how people how trouble with Rengar. Maybe at the height of his power in Season 4, but now he's one of the most telegraphed champions in the game and if he uses his main nuke he has no way to get out.
There's a difference between a universally counter-playable ability such as Sion ult being telegraphing and Rengar.
Rengar tells you he's coming, and then he murders you anyways. Even if you know about it there usually isn't much you can do about it, especially if he's fed. It's just a sign saying "have your shop open, you're about to go back to fountain".
Rengar tells you he's coming, and then he murders you anyways. Even if you know about it there usually isn't much you can do about it, especially if he's fed. It's just a sign saying "have your shop open, you're about to go back to fountain".
I mean what do you do against a fed Zed or Leblanc. At least with Rengar he send you a text a few seconds before he arrives and then your team 1 shots him once he's finished his combo.
I can’t speak for Zed, but for Leblanc she is reliant on hitting either her W or her E to get a kill, both of which are skill shots.
W isn't a skillshot, it's an AoE ground-based attack, which has far more in common with point and click than with skillshots.
Calling her W a skillshot is like calling Nasus's E a skillshot.
I played Leblanc against a pretty competent Ezreal... made the mistake of maxing W like normal. If an attack can be flashed, it is a skillshot.
Rengar gets a lot of movespeed and is invisible until he attacks, so there's really no escaping from him. If you see Zed coming a mile away you can leave. When Rengar's coming there's just no way to leave hard enough.
Rengar has camo and zed will W to you and ult you. i could go on and on about how rengar is the weakest assassin but just have this
Zed, even if I fucking hate him and his ult is a point&click mess, has an ult that is way more counterplayable that Rengar's when in a group or even alone.
I find rengar pretty shit. just annoying... kinda.
Like Rengar can do what an assasine can do. but with Indicators of letting you know you can either die there, or hope the gods you live by some Deus ex machina. (or using flash to dodge his combo, By Building a defense item(Like stopwatch, hourglass, or I guess GA.), or even just having a peeling support. But... hey. eveyone likes to play the mage supports. Or even having a displacement of your own with good timing.
They're champions who pretty much doing what rengars do, by with fractions of time apart they kill you. One shot meta is nuts, and When people complain about being one shotted by rengar. Its okay, yeh. He always done that. and its not great. Its just strange when everyone is one shotting everyone, and rengar is on the same boat. but hes being the one to be thrown overboard.
I think its just the frustration of just not being to able to hit him at least once before you pop. Like every assassin will pop you if you are caught out, misposistioned IN thier Playstyle. Some champs like when you stand alone, some like you standing near walls, some like brushes. rengar just happens to be pretty much anytime during his ult. but again... you still can counter this But some are just complete dog shit and cannot do that. Like shaco.
(If they build like rengar) WuKong can do what rengar does, but Only there is no indicator, you are knocked up. but the counter play is he has a shit lane Jarvan can do what rengar does but can do it to everyone around you. the counter play, is he isnt very good building this way as a jung. rengar has counterplay. By needing kills desperate even. and will even die to get stacks. He needs early kills.
hell poke mages are doing what he does at a safe range.(OH But, the Counter play is that I can side step it because most are skill shots.)
Rengar is a feast or famine and falls off pretty late in the game when everyone build an item to just delete him.
Annoying yes. Stong no. He isnt. Hes just a snow ball champion, and because he pops off hard in one game you had to fight against him... doesnt mean its broken. just annoying.
The counterplay to Rengar is to leave your adc in a 1v2 lane, and go Teemo support in the mid lane. (/s)
The counterplay to Rengar is to leave your adc in a 1v2 lane, and go Teemo support in the mid lane. (/s)
The big brain on this man
alot of the time he doesnt even oneshot anyways. like i say in this comment there are better assassins then him anyway
yeh, hes a feast or famine champion. Like If he cannot one shot.. hes just absolute dog shit. but... He can one shot IF he is ahead. Then, Hell. hes better than shaco.
for me this along with blue kayn using youmuus and charging through walls at high speeds doesnt feel good either
Neither does Eve i can dodge the first Q of hers but the auto target Q still procs it?!?! i still die
and the same for twitch - no warning at all rengar ult on a Q and when he gets ult theres no escape although damage isnt isnt death
assasins in general dont feel good - they do need to kill but there needs to be at least counterplay in areas (such as dodging eve first Q should be a fighting chance)
There is more counterplay than what people think. into the mid to lategame a big portion of his burst comes from his e. If you have a mobility spell like vayne or kaisa you can dodge that and together with current pd you wont just die to his q w and tiamat which deals lower dmg because of the distance created when dodging the e. small tip when alone vs rengar walk in a straight line towards safety and when you think he will jump turn your walk 90 degrees. This sudden movement can easily catch rengar off guard.
There is more counterplay than what people think. into the mid to lategame a big portion of his burst comes from his e. If you have a mobility spell like vayne or kaisa you can dodge that and together with current pd you wont just die to his q w and tiamat which deals lower dmg because of the distance created when dodging the e. small tip when alone vs rengar walk in a straight line towards safety and when you think he will jump turn your walk 90 degrees. This sudden movement can easily catch rengar off guard.
i really dont see how theres power on his E when in fact his auto attacks are undodgable by brush while his E and root or slow. they should allow his autos to be dodgable if you flash from his leap.
i really dont see how theres power on his E when in fact his auto attacks are undodgable by brush while his E and root or slow. they should allow his autos to be dodgable if you flash from his leap.
That would literally make him useless. You can still flash and avoid the majority of damage
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That would literally make him useless. You can still flash and avoid the majority of damage
i just feel exactly like this post says though. if you (example) snare him during the leap it should definitely pause his mid leap since its technically grounded due to snare not follow through and still ends up dying. i know that feeling he has had.
i just feel exactly like this post says though. if you (example) snare him during the leap it should definitely pause his mid leap since its technically grounded due to snare not follow through and still ends up dying. i know that feeling he has had.
Yes I agree but you shouldnt be able to flash his auto attack rofl
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Yes I agree but you shouldnt be able to flash his auto attack rofl
now.... if we are talking logic here you can build armor/hp (zhonyas only source of armor/ap cough cough) in the meantime at least until riot changes how rengars bush vs snares/hard cc how they interact we are gonna have to do that.
i just feel exactly like this post says though. if you (example) snare him during the leap it should definitely pause his mid leap since its technically grounded due to snare not follow through and still ends up dying. i know that feeling he has had.
Snares do not stop movement actions already occurring. Snare before he leaps.
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Snares do not stop movement actions already occurring. Snare before he leaps.
question does poppy stop a rengar auto attack?
question does poppy stop a rengar auto attack?
Yes; her W stops all movement/dashes
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Yes; her W stops all movement/dashes
thats cool though.
There is more counterplay than what people think. into the mid to lategame a big portion of his burst comes from his e. If you have a mobility spell like vayne or kaisa you can dodge that and together with current pd you wont just die to his q w and tiamat which deals lower dmg because of the distance created when dodging the e. small tip when alone vs rengar walk in a straight line towards safety and when you think he will jump turn your walk 90 degrees. This sudden movement can easily catch rengar off guard.
ah yes 2019 riot where the counterplay is "play something that dashes"
ive mained rengar for 2 or 3 seasons now and i have never once avoided cc by leaping unless if im leaping away from it. no clue as to what cc you mean
like playing lux, seeing rengar coming, throwing your q out and hitting him mid ult dash but still dying to him anyway
well you still get CC'ed and its like most auto attacks. of course its going to follow you. the same can happen if you flash from any melee auto attack. it will follow you. the reason rengars follows more often is because he doesnt have to do an AA animation persay so it goes threw more. if you had zhonyas or shielded faster you survives those alot and id know. unless you sit next to a bush.
one thing i cannot stress enough though is that if rengar is FED with max bonetooth stacks and your entire team is behind. he is going to one shot you. any fed assassin will do this. so dont cry op when 10/2 rengar one shots the squishy ADC.
well you still get CC'ed and its like most auto attacks. of course its going to follow you. the same can happen if you flash from any melee auto attack. it will follow you. the reason rengars follows more often is because he doesnt have to do an AA animation persay so it goes threw more. if you had zhonyas or shielded faster you survives those alot and id know. unless you sit next to a bush.
one thing i cannot stress enough though is that if rengar is FED with max bonetooth stacks and your entire team is behind. he is going to one shot you. any fed assassin will do this. so dont cry op when 10/2 rengar one shots the squishy ADC.
Every other assassins offers counterplay in the form of vision and staying near your team mates. Rengar does not.
Even if you know he's ulting and are prepared for it, you can't do anything to stop him from instantly killing someone short of them having Zhonya. If they aren't playing an AP champion, that isn't even a possibility, so you just have to accept that someone is going to get one shot with zero counterplay and prepare to kill Rengar as soon as he lands.
There's literally no viable defense for a champion being able to mash it's keyboard and delete someone from the game, with no regards for positioning.
The only cc that can stop it is knockups because for some reason only those (along with other displacements) can stop dashes.
Guess Rengar would be next level useless if every cc could do that tho.
The only cc that can stop it is knockups because for some reason only those (along with other displacements) can stop dashes.
Guess Rengar would be next level useless if every cc could do that tho.
Yeah, it does feel crappy when you snare someone mid dash and still die, but you have to imagine how infinitely worse it would feel for a Rengar player, who literally cannot pick the champion if your squishies have a single line or area cc.
He would be entirely unplayable against more than half the midlane cast, as well as supports and even some adcs.
I hate Rengar as much as the next guy, he's very antifun, but if this change happened they'd need to massively buff his damage to compensate, and trust me, you don't want that. That just worsens the current problem of hard counters.
Yeah, it does feel crappy when you snare someone mid dash and still die, but you have to imagine how infinitely worse it would feel for a Rengar player, who literally cannot pick the champion if your squishies have a single line or area cc.
He would be entirely unplayable against more than half the midlane cast, as well as supports and even some adcs.
I hate Rengar as much as the next guy, he's very antifun, but if this change happened they'd need to massively buff his damage to compensate, and trust me, you don't want that. That just worsens the current problem of hard counters.
Agreed.
Are you insinuating that an AD assassin should have counterplay? Blasphemy! /s
if you CC rengar and his W is on CD he dies without being able to do anything at all. If you wall the carry and spot rengar he dies or can't go in. Rengar punishes your teams mistakes, this is the problem. It is a coordinated fight, if your team is ready for him he's useless if they just ignore him and you go wondering around alone then he will kill you. You may think this is unfair and that you should have every possible chance of killing anyone in the entire game with whoever you choose to play, but this is how the game is balanced. If you want to split push rengar will get you, if you are in a bad position rengar will get you. You remove rengar and you may think the game is better now but! you will find someone else just as obnoxious to complain about. It is far worse imo that
still lands at her trajectory when CC'd which can kill your entire team with no rotations or CD. Not saying
is OP or broken but there's a whole row of champions that would need to be fiddled with before we can just say rengars passive is the worst feeling in the game.
It's not uninterruptable xD
It's not uninterruptable xD
It is actually.
The moment Rengar start´s his jump he will 100% apply damage from it unless you use something like zhonya almost at the same time to avoid it.
That's just a straight up lie. If that were the case then an ability such as Draven's E wouldn't knock me out of my jump and cause me to not deal any damage outside of MAYBE W and/or E.
That's just a straight up lie. If that were the case then an ability such as Draven's E wouldn't knock me out of my jump and cause me to not deal any damage outside of MAYBE W and/or E.
I started looking it up after writing and it turns out that a well timed knockback also does stop the damage.
Flashing or Dashing does not though, nor does charm, silence and a number of other CC types.