Nerf Yasuo

JoshTGW··6 votes·3,116 views

From the name of the title, you can easily guess what this is about. This is about a character whom I strongly believe and know for a fact is out of line. This character is one I feel is the exact opposite of a champion that once dominated the meta for a long time in this game, Master Yi. Whereas more than 65-75% of the champion roster hard counters him, for Yasuo it's the exact opposite with only a very select few abilities/champions that are capable of stopping him. Yasuo is a champion that has been claimed to take "skill" to play, but that in itself is a falsehood. If a player dedicates enough time to one character, they can become a god with the character and still be terrible with others. All it takes for a Yasuo player to be good is know-how of the game, how to use the character, what to build on him, and what runes to use. Other than this, their isn't much you can call actual "skill."

Example: Another game I play had a similar claim placed on another character saying they took "skill" and yet it wasn't actually true. This game is called Overwatch and the character is Widowmaker. This character is absolutely hated in the game for out-of-fight sniping that other characters are not capable of. Widowmaker is similar to Yasuo in the fact that if you play them enough, you can become a god at them while still being bad with others. Skill isn't much of a factor with either of them if all you do is dedicate time and knowledge to one specific character. In Overwatch, even the pros called Widowmaker "no fun" and "out-of-line."

"Why not ban him if you don't like playing against him so much?" There are other champions in this game that are as much a nightmare to play against and should be banned no matter what, as I mentioned one of them earlier, Master Yi.

"What should be done?" Despite being a champion that supposedly takes "skill", as claimed by Riot, he's still out of line and incredibly undesirable to play against. This fact is also justified by his ban rate. The character needs to become something that's more "high risk, high reward" rather than "low risk, high reward." If and when balance changes do decide to be applied to the character, i'd highly advice going for his abilities and items that sustain and protect him. Namely the wind wall, which is responsible for preventing a large number of champions from hard countering him, successfully fighting him, and massively lowering the risk of playing the character itself.

I also implore this to you as well RIOT, please consider re-balancing your entire roster and establishing what a another person posted once before as a "foundation", "a constant", or as simply put "a guideline to follow" in order to keep champions and new ones that come into the game from overstepping that boundary. This will make it easier to balance these characters and keep them reasonable to play as, with, or against.

8 Comments

Zed genius7 votes

His winrate goes from 55% in iron to 45% in challenger. It's not the champion, it's the players that can't play against him

Möral Support4 votes

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His winrate goes from 55% in iron to 45% in challenger. It's not the champion, it's the players that can't play against him

I agree, shutting him down early is key to playing against yasuo. If the lane keeps feeding him, he will become a monster.

JoshTGW1 votes

That doesn't work and as long as he can farm, he can build with ease. Shutting him down requires complete team coordination to that of which is not seen often. As i said in another comment, "the shear fact that it takes more than one player, up to three to five, to deal with one Yasuo player that doesn't have a full build or a few basic items is a clear sign of an unbalanced character, that of which defies what constitutes as a balanced champion in this game."

Yasuo is far too oppressive and requires a few substantial changes to still be fun to play, but also fair to play around.

JoshTGW1 votes

It's the champion that's incredibly overpowered. The shear fact that it takes more than one player, up to three to five, to deal with one Yasuo player that doesn't have a full build or a few basic items is a clear sign of an unbalanced character, that of which defies what constitutes as a balanced champion in this game. In the latest patch, they called Qiyana "oppressive" and yet she's not nearly as bad as Yasuo.

Countering him isn't much of an option either as the queuing system for ranked, draft, etc... can seriously be problematic if the last player to pick is that Yasuo player. Another issue is that being as oppressive as he is, playing around him isn't much of an option either since he can just starve them of any CS farming without them risking serious damage dealt by Yasuo. Using flash to get away is wasteful and at times in vain due to his movement abilities so also not an option.

Anything that can counter Yasuo mostly takes the form of a projectile which his Wind Wall right now can completely block. There's very few things to none at all that anyone can do to counter, deny, or stop a Yasuo unless literally the whole team gangs up on one person constantly and consistently throughout an entire match, which is not something that occurs too often.

Zed genius2 votes

i guess you play closer to the 55% winrate elo of the champion if you think like that

JoshTGW1 votes

Okay what does this have to do with me when it's about nerfing an oppressive champion that goes above and beyond the game balance?

I think Yasuo needs to be nerfed because he needs to be. I've either had him on my team or he's been on the opposing team and what winds up happening is that there's always this advantage to just having the champion. In other words, the match leans in favor of oppressive unbalanced characters.

Also, his ban rate being at an average of 50% means something isn't right. He's basically banned half of the time which is an indicator that a large amount of this game's community do not want to play around him in his current state. The way I see ban rates is by thresholds (ex. 0-10% okay, 11-29% Might need to be slightly tweaked, 30-49% cause for concern, 50%+ something absolutely needs to be done).

If a character like Yasuo could easily be outplayed, then why is his ban rate this high and not much lower? The fact remains is that the champion needs to receive the appropriate balance changes that have him remain fun to play, but also fair to play around. Being banned half of the time is just as unacceptable as him being banned most or all of the time.

Zed genius2 votes

I think Yasuo needs to be nerfed because he needs to be

nice

lane insurance2 votes

i have no idea why yasuo is banned all the time when he's barely even meta right now

banning stupid shit like qiyana is where it's at now tbh

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