What is the point of swain nerfs again?

KirbyCake··2 votes·435 views

Against competent players swain is just not very strong. DFT isn't even good on him since dot lasts 1 second, DFT lasts 4 second total, and so he doesn't get any more benefit from DFT for being a dot mage.

Now he is ridiculously weak in lane since a 1 second hard to land snare might no longer save you, or lets the enemy escape.

He has a 50% win rate overall, and gets dumpstered in master+

Also karthus wall nerf should be reverted, karthus also gets dumpstered against competent players.

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Serevas2 votes

I personally think the nerf to swain came out of theoretical math that was taken vastly overboard. I can't even remember the last time I saw a Swain, let alone one do well aside from ARAMs, and even that's rare, most people roll off of him.

In theory, Swain can maintain almost constant uptime on Deathfire Touch.

Torment deals damage over 4 seconds and amplifies damage dealt over it's duration, so that's 8 seconds of uptime if you count it being continuously refreshed and then active for 4 second from the last instance of damage.

He can then rotate in Decrepify for an additional 7 seconds of uptime on Deathfire Touch. 3 seconds of continuous refresh from the spells DoT, then 4 seconds after the last instance of damage. By the time that's over you're able to throw Torment at them over again. So there's the theoretical cycle of endless uptime.

Furthermore I personally believe that if you're not CCed hard into the snare and you manage to get yourself snared, you deserve to get obliterated, there's nearly a full second delay before the ability triggers and the ability has an 18 second cooldown at level one on a champion that basically doesn't build CDR in most cases. At it's current state it's just a waste of mana, because even if you land it, you're not going to do anything with it afterwards as they're on their merry way to safety before you can get a decent rotation.

Edit: Returning to the theoretical math, it doesn't make sense to try and maintain a 100% uptime on DFT as if you don't combo your abilities with Swain you deal embarrassingly low damage.

Voidling Bot1 votes

It makes no sense to me. The only excuse I got was "DFT might be pretty strong on Swain". So... you're nerfing his snare length? If you asked me "What champion in League of Legends is the most undeserving of a nerf at the moment?", my answer would be Swain. "OH NO DFT IS ONLY SEMI VIABLE ON 2 CHAMPIONS WE HAVE TO NERF ONE OF THEM!" Meanwhile, thunderlords decree... cough cough

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