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Autofill is too punishing towards our MMR.

Darth Sidiouss··6 votes·673 views

Specifically towards climbing if im currently in a win streak winning from a role im winning games from, it does not help at all to autofill me or someone else into a match where they are playing an off role such as support 99% of the time and have no control over the game. According to your forced philosophy everyone must be at heart a support or other auto filled role when at heart we are all different and have different high and low ends towards performing in various roles.

For example me i am primarily a jungle player now and lets say for 7 out of 10 matches i am winning in my division on average 7 wins per 10 matches meaning if i continue to perform that average i will climb it is obvious that anyone would eventually climb performing that average.

But with the autofill in place it influences the MMR system if the system was currently convinced that i was outperforming steadily. Then the autofilled match where i lost only lies to the system stating i deserved to lose that specific match because the system was already guessing i would lose that match due to the ruberband MMR stretching from my 4 - 5 win streak.

Putting me in support basically guarantees the loss where as if i had gotten my regular role i could of extended my win streak further proving i belong in a higher division based on my raised MMR from winning consecutively.

And that's why auto fill is not your friend and is complete bullshit for this season.

20 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

how when every one is subject to it... ?

it effects every one the same

Quepha2 votes

It affects everyone equally so the net damage to your MMR is zero.

LordGeovanni2 votes

actually its rng based on which roles are less desireable and with rng things are luck based unlucky people will end up in fill more than lucky people and people who play popular roles will fill more than people who play unpopular roles. just because it can happen to everyone equally in theory means that it will happen to every equally in reality. and none of that says anything about mmr if your team loses because you cant do your job in a role you cant play that hurts your mmr and because it may possible happen to someone else in theory doesnt mean your mmr isnt hurt.

Quepha1 votes

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unlucky people will end up in fill more than lucky people

There is no such thing as "lucky people" and "unlucky people," everyone has the same odds and in the long run will be autofilled around the same proportion. If you climb any significant distance it is through your own ability and if you fall it is also your fault.

LordGeovanni2 votes

Luck is derived because everyone has the same odds in theory but in actuality some people will draw jack pot and some people wont.

Quepha1 votes

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Luck is derived because everyone has the same odds in theory but in actuality some people will draw jack pot and some people wont.

In one pull of the lever, sure, but when everyone plays enough they will all average to around the same percentage of win/loss depending on the odds. Gambling is designed to perpetuate the myth of a lucky person and people fall for it.

LordGeovanni1 votes

again that is dependant on what you main. in fill support is the main catagory to be filled followed by jungle if you main these two roles you are less likely to be filled and so fill will influence your win rate less. if you main mid lane you will be filled more because of the lane popularity so a higher % of your games will be fill compared to other roles so if you are also proficent in those roles you are more likely to be adversely effected by being put in those roles. the things you are saying only work in the situation where every role is equally contended for and if every role is equally condended for there is no need for fill in the first place

Quepha1 votes

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again that is dependant on what you main. in fill support is the main catagory to be filled followed by jungle if you main these two roles you are less likely to be filled and so fill will influence your win rate less. if you main mid lane you will be filled more because of the lane popularity so a higher % of your games will be fill compared to other roles so if you are also proficent in those roles you are more likely to be adversely effected by being put in those roles. the things you are saying only work in the situation where every role is equally contended for and if every role is equally condended for there is no need for fill in the first place

Mid players who don't bother to learn other roles and throw a fit when they don't get to carry end up not climbing unless they're good? Sounds fair to me.

LordGeovanni1 votes

so they should be punished for not being good at a role they didnt sign up for. sounds fair.

Quepha1 votes

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so they should be punished for not being good at a role they didnt sign up for. sounds fair.

Correct. Either put together a full team yourself or don't complain when matchmaking can't make you happy every single game.

LordGeovanni1 votes

so fuk solo que players?

Quepha1 votes

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so fuk solo que players?

Quit being overdramatic. At the very most you fill one game in three and if support really feels like the equivalent of getting fucked then you should honestly quit this game.

LordGeovanni1 votes

call it over dramatic if you want but that's exactly what what you said means. supposed you are balanced around your skill level for your main roll you have just as much a chance to lose the lane and make the game harder to win for yourself but your fill is also based on your mmr so your main roll but you most likely dont play the role well enough to compare with your main role. ps 1/3 33% is a fuckking lot to get filled

wishbone251 votes

every single player on league !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! autofill has no purpose !!

LordGeovanni2 votes

It has a purpose but its purpose is lowering que times but that is easily fixed by letting supports have some kind of influence on games that isnt only through an adc. Because supports dont want to take the kill doesnt mean that they shouldnt have the ability to get kills they took a choice players made and made it a static rule by nerfing support damage. Adcs should not have a free lane farming they should be wary of the enemy support just as much as the enemy adc.

LeLapinNoir1 votes

you can dodge in champ select instead of whining about it on the boards

Darth Sidiouss2 votes

even if u dodge ur still auto filled..

LaughingStapler1 votes

you're allowed to dodge and also to learn other roles

there are basic champions for every role - garen top, morgana mid, soraka support, amumu jg, trist adc etc. of course, there's a difference between playing them reasonably and mastering them.

sobi9991 votes

I have one simple suggestion. Keep autofill for draft and blink picks and get rid off it from ranked. I am sure the outcry of autofill will lessen more or less this way.

The Deckowner1 votes

autofill is actually about 70/30 for support/adc. Basically no one wanna play bot lane...

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