She doesnt even feel weak to me. she still has her toxic point and click kit and now her new W mechanic gives her a nice ability to jump thin walls. Plus removal of pink wards makes her W aids. All in all i feel like she is pretty much the same thing she was feast or famine. (which is bad for a champ)
edit: fyi i'm not saying she is strong i'm just sayin she is the same shit even after rework
Akali is SO HOT15 votesPassive: -Basically a shitter version of her old passive only now it puts her in a state of either killing you instantly and being useful or not killing you instantly and being useless compared to other Assassins. Her old passive made it so she could afford to get 2 or 3 auto attacks off during her assassination for damage, but with her new passive it's either kill or be useless because of how it's split and how it has a cooldown.
Twilight Shroud: The walls you can jump over have to be very thin and even then you still have to be extremely close to it. Old shroud gave her many more options to play with and not allowing her to place it where she wants it basically gutted what made the ability so unique in exchange for a lame gimmick. Pink wards not revealing her anymore was a buff until Riot decided to add in shimmer and leave a bug that allows half of the abilities in the game to reveal her when they aren't supposed to. Took away a massive amount of power the ability provided for a stupid gimmick.
Shadow Dance: Base damage, cooldown, and ratio all nerfed in one go with no compensation. Her rank one ultimate does less damage than an auto attack.
A lot of Akali players are mad because the rework has put her in a state where she can't be buffed because her kill window is screwed up and will remain weak while before she was in just about the right spot. In addition, Riot has, yet again, added more bugs and clunkiness into her kit which has made her less satisfying to play for her dedicated mains. She's still in the bad state she was before, but now she feels worse to play for her mains.
ninjaroxas2 voteshonestly the twilight shroud change was the stupidest thing they did on her imo
My Waifu Vanilla2 votes"OMG SHE CAN GO OVER WALLS!"
The problem is half the walls you want to go over you already would with W+R (Raptors, Krugs, or Gromp).
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My Waifu Vanilla1 votes? The shroud would have been over the wall with you putting you in an arguably better spot than leaving the shroud on the other side of the wall as it does now. Also, if Akali is forced to go over walls to escape then she does not need any ult charges besides the one to get over the wall anyway so that isn't a very hefty "cost".
Dessem3 votesHell. FQC, Rengar ult, Lee Sin Q, lots of stuff bypasses her W despite it advertising that only turrets reveal invisibility.
Akali has been Aatrox'd. Might as well call her Aakali.
Akali is SO HOT1 votesAakali.
Lol that was pretty funny.
Ralanr1 votesI kinda get the ult damage nerf. It looks more focused as a mobility tool rather than both that and damage.
salty testi14 votes[deleted]
Cosmic Warper1 votes[{quoted}](name=salty testi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RvE1ddjX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-01-07T20:08:34.791+0000)
and I'm seeing her heal like 1/3 of her HP off 1 minion wave
??? Akali could always do that. That's a result of gunblade, not her new passive
RuPaul10 votesat least now poke does NOT work against her at all, because she'll just get her health back from attacking the minions..
RavenMagus6 votesShe has the weakest laning phase of all assassins, by far.
Whereas most assassins actually got improved laning phases - like Talon, who has a dangerous 100-0 combo at level 2, or Katarina, who went from having a crappy early game to having Riven levels of early pressure, or Ekko, who has actual legitimate ranged waveclear - Akali is still complete gutter trash pre-6, and she still falls off late game like the others.
Not to say she can't do well - I have found some success with her in some games, though I usually have to build tanky, with sunfire and/or GA as early as second item - but it's an uphill battle compared to the likes of Kat (early kill pressure) or Ekko (safe waveclear).
Pale Pirate1 votesThe problem with Ekko's Q is that it usually leaves the enemy minions with a slimmer of hp and you lose them.
DDasani4 votesWell, I haven't really played the new akali, but I've seen people play the new akali, I have to say that She's a tad weaker but overall her E doesn't consume her Q which to me is a hit to the crotch. Her R is a little (I'm meaning a little) weaker. But I find her to be fine.
dominusx25 votesher E non consuming Q has been for ages
Corrupt Bliss3 votesDoesn't change the fact that the change really hurt Akali. S3 Akali > S7 Akali. Honestly ruined the flow of how I used to play Akali for me, and took out the majority of trades with lane bullies- i.e Yasuo, Malphite, Jax.
Ralanr1 votes[{quoted}](name=Corrupt Bliss,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RvE1ddjX,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T23:12:01.748+0000)
Doesn't change the fact that the change really hurt Akali. S3 Akali > S7 Akali. Honestly ruined the flow of how I used to play Akali for me, and took out the majority of trades with lane bullies- i.e Yasuo, Malphite, Jax.
What...
MattiasNeeson1 votesif u lose to yasuo or jax or malphite or any champion in the game as akali in lane uninstall plz
Oelyk2 votesHa. Sarcasm. Right? You can't be serious?
MattiasNeeson1 votesdead srs mister silver
DarkSunSovereign2 votesImplying akali is good in lane
MattiasNeeson1 votes.. implying she's not.
DarkSunSovereign1 votesCheck champion gg bruh
Oelyk2 votesI mean, when you say any other champion in the game that implies EVERY CHAMPION in the game... and for a champion designed around lack of gap-closer till 6, A LOT of people just flat out lariat her.
MattiasNeeson1 voteshonestly just add me ingame and we can go through every single champ you think beats akali in lane and i'll beat you with akali
Oelyk2 votesRight okay, doesn't sound like a good use of my time so I'll just let you think your right, and I'll think I am right too, but in reality It doesn't matter a single bit.
a very bad nado2 votesIf anything, Akali honestly slays Yasuo. You can constantly just keep harassing him with your Q whenever he's behind minions, trying to last hit minions himself with his own Q. Any time he dashes towards you with his E, again, you can just throw your Q and follow it up with autos as well as your E and just punish him hard for that. In addition, when he tries performing his EQ combo on you, you just have to simply throw down your W LOL and he can't ult you. His W is pretty much the only thing that counters your Q. All you need really is just a camp or two to get you 2 kills or so on Yasuo and then you can pretty much just 1v1 that same Yasuo for free kills because if you have your ult up, if youhave ignite up, you can just keep repeating the same process over and over again to get you fed which can then allow you to snowball the game.
In terms of Malphite and Jax however, I don't know how those match-ups would go. Never really laned against those 2 champions because as of this season, I've usually just played Akali mid lane.
Corrupt Bliss1 votesI'm not arguing that it is impossible to trade with those champions, I'm just offering the opinion that it got much more difficult to do.
IMO Akali became a lot weaker after her changes.
a very bad nado2 votesThe only thing that I personally find much stronger about Akali after her changes is how her new W allows her to get in front of terrains. That kind of thing honestly brings a lot more outplay potential for her.
Corrupt Bliss2 votesDefinitely an enjoyable mechanic! #SmallWallHops4Dayz
a very bad nado2 votesHell yeah :)
Thefrostyviking1 votesher E non consuming Q has been for ages
She lost damage from ulti and E if i recall, and her passive sustain got weaker post the early game but after buffs it helps with taking towers a bit.
We who complain are mad that she wasn't changed enough to be anything more than the champ that is super obnoxious for 10 minutes and then becomes quite useless for the remaining time.
Raja Chachki23 votesHer R is a hell of a lot weaker...
Limmie5 votesHer R is a little (I'm meaning a little) weaker
Her ultimate does less damage than an auto attack or a q cast (not proc, just the cast). You've got a weird definition of 'little' if includes cutting the damage by half and the cooldown doubled at max.
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Limmie3 votesMaybe, but it definitely isn't "a little weaker", it's objectively A LOT weaker.
Divine Winds1 votesBut her ult being weaker doesn't really affect akali because she relies mostly on q and auto procs. Her ult is just a gap closer.
Fondling Gems1 votesActually it hurts her a lot because her R also used to be a tool for killing low health enemies without using energy because you got the 1 stack reset. Have to R then still spend time and more importantly energy killing them for that reset really hurt the ability. Especially since the first cast of Q will generally kill them after ulting so you don't get the energy back from aaing, meaning suddenly she can't use her R reset because she doesn't have energy to follow up.
Trias0001 votes[{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RvE1ddjX,comment-id=000000020000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-08T02:43:13.874+0000)
Have to R then still spend time and more importantly energy killing them for that reset really hurt the ability
God forbid you have to make some effort to kill a target, instead of just pressing R.
Fondling Gems2 votesExcept that isn't the point of a reset ability like that. Akali used to use R as a finisher, because it didn't use energy and the charge got replaced. It means you would R in, start killing, then R to cancel you animations/all that and finish the kill.
Now you see people with 100-150 health survive an ultimate. It breaks the fluidity of Akali's comboing and feels clunky. On top of that when people survive with that much HP you are suddenly forced to do a mechanic that her kit isn't balanced around. You have to either Q or E. If you E and they use mobility you just wasted energy and animations for nothing. As such you generally have to Q them. One of two things happen. They either die from Q, meaning you burned a ton of extra energy since you can't auto attack to proc and regen in, or you aa and that kills them.
Now the purpose of a reset mechanic like Akali R is to go from one kill to the next. If you can't do that then it isn't fulfilling it's role as a reset mechanic. When you burn important energy and cd's just to finish off a target the realistically would have easily been killed by her old ult (Which still didn't do that much damage for an ult) it means you can't go on to other kills.
This further reduces her ability to do what her ult is made to do, get resets and clean up fights. It causes a lot of clunkiness and due to it's lack of damage now lacks synergy with itself and the rest of her kit.
Also for reference all 3 charges only do 150/300/450 (+75% AP) damage.
That is done over the course of 6 seconds. Compare that to lee, which offers a similar amount of utility.
200/400/600 (+200% Bonus AD)
So for a similar amount of utility on an assassin it does less damage and unlike Lee's ult actually lacks synergy with the rest of her kit.
I am not saying it should do a ton of damage, but when it lacks the damage to get resets and clean up fights like it is made to do, and even causes you to have to waste a ton of energy (which in fights is more limiting than mana) then something is wrong.
Even if they just shifted damage from the rest of her kit to it Akali as a whole would feel smoother to play, because right now she is so clunky feeling that I straight up stopped playing her. Not because she is weak, not because she doesn't fit team comps or any other reason like that. Just because her ult feels like the shittiest thing to use. At the point where her autos do more damage than her ultimate either remove the damage and balance around that or shift damage back into it.
SteelMankind2 votesReally can't compare Lee ult with Akali ult; that doesn't even make sense. You're right about the damage on Akali ult being important to finish off low-health targets, but at its core it's a mobility spell (even before rework). If anything, compare it to Diana ult, since it is also a damaging gap closer ult with conditional resets and an unconditional short CD (for an ult).
Fondling Gems1 votesOk then,
Akali ult, 150/300/450 (+75% AP) damage over 4 seconds if you have all 3 charges.
Diana ult, 100/160/220 (+60% AP), doubled if you land Q and with a shorter CD at all ranks. Damage is done in under 1 second. Generally doesn't go in if she doesn't land Q so one can assume that in most situations she will get to uses of ult minimum.
So Akali ult only beats out a Diana ult in damage if you use all 3 charges and Diana doesn't hit Q. On top of that Diana ult has a shorter CD meaning that if the fight lasts very long and she does put her ult on CD it will be back up, giving it another damage boost over akali ult. Lastly it can be cast with every Q that lands, which drastically reduces the effective cd.
The only way Akali ult is better is that it has charges which Diana partially makes up for by having an ult reset on Q and having a tiny bit more range.
So as you can see Akali ult only does more damage if Diana completely screws everything up and even then she does it over 4 seconds. What assassin should have a burst combo of 4 seconds? LB has less than half as long of a burst combo and she is considered/played as a mage now instead of an assassin.
On top of that unlike Akali who's ult is clunky with the rest of her kit due to it's lack of damage Diana's ult doesn't have that issue and flows very smoothly with her entire kit. Due to not being limited by finishing combos and needing your ult to kill them for your kit to flow smoothly Diana's ult flows much more smoothly than Akali's too.
SteelMankind1 votesCalm down dude, I totally agree with you. If you read my original post, you'll see that nowhere do I even suggest Akali's ult is better than Diana's. I actually think Diana > Akali in nearly every way. I was just saying that the comparison between Lee Sin ult and Akali ult makes no sense, and that it makes more sense to compare it to Diana's since they basically do the same thing except Diana's is just stronger
Fondling Gems1 votesYeah sorry, I wrote the comparison at 1 AM or something. Was just trying to think of a damaging ult that has utility to cancel out the utility aspect of Akali ult so the comparison could be a purely damage one. Diana is a much better one though.
Meep Man4 votesThey didn't plan to FIX her with the "rework" just try and tide her over to be better until her REAL rework.
DDasani1 votesThey didn't plan to FIX her with the "rework" just try and tide her over to be better until her REAL rework.
When is her REAL rework? With the divers rework? If so any word on it?
morris19 votesSeparate VGU. But she's still not a huge priority.
Prestige AkaIi1 votesWhen is her REAL rework? With the divers rework? If so any word on it?
Read on a Riot post a couple months ago that it was planned for late 2017 early 2018. Could've changed since then tho.
