No Counterplay Champions

Lugg·Apr 18, 2015·1 votes·242 views

I know a lot of people will flame this, but please hear me out.

Champions like Zed, Lee Sin, LeBlanc, Katarina, etc are broken. They can flash in, do stupid amounts of damage, and escape safely with almost zero chance of dying. The response is "They are weak against hard CC". ALL champions are weak against hard CC. Riot needs to make these champions so squishy that if you can actually CC them (which is pretty much impossible due to their kits) it is an automatic kill or increase the CDs on the flashes. This would make the game so much better and balanced.

4 Comments

Lord DusteonApr 18, 20152 votes

First, three of those champions ARE incredibly squishy, and squishiness is dictated more by kit and items then the champion them self. Zed might have medium base stats, but he can't afford to build much if any defence and his kit provides no innate tankiness.

Second, (copy pasted from an earlier thread) "Hard CC while technically being something that counters everyone has varying usefulness. A champion based on channel times for example (Fiddlesticks, Master Yi, Katarina) is extremely vulnerable to hard CC due to it interrupting their damage/survavibility as a usually glass cannon champion. An assassin would also be extremely vulnerable to hard CC due to it keeping them from accessing their mobility or damage. A tank by contrast is much less concerned with hard CC, as their tankiness keeps them from dying within the CC most of the time, and being focused means the rest of their carries are safe.

Also, in general most people are going to just tell the basic counterplay (just hard CC them) instead of writing out an entire essay for a poster who is usually just whining about X champion and thus will not listen." (the irony in the last part...)

LuggApr 20, 20151 votes

Yeah, Kat is squishy, I guess that is why her ult has a 15% damage reduction which allows her to pop in, ult under turrent while taking 3 turrent shots and being attacked by 3 people, kill all 3, reset and pop back out safely alive. I have seen that happen more than once!

Zed is just as bad, you actually get him in a spot where you can kill him and he ults you, becomes untargetable, kills you, and pops safely away.

Assasins should be squishy but in practice they are sometimes harder to kill than the tanks.

Tanks may handle CC better but then they don't 100-0 you in 2 seconds either.

Shadow GilgameshApr 18, 20152 votes

Even though I hate assassins, and think that the 4 champs named here are overtuned, I HATE the "all champs are weak to CC" counterargument.

Yes it sucks to get hit by CC on every champ, but said CC has drastically different levels of effect on different champs, Assassins like Kat can get deleted in a single stun since they have to mush their faces right up to their targets at some point, whereas I've seen champs like Nasus just take 3 or 4 hard CCs and still be able to walk away.

I think both Zed and LB could use delays before they can port back on their engages, since those DO let them be unfairly safe, but other than that...

LuggApr 20, 20151 votes

I like your idea of a delay. I just want something done to allow more counterplay. How many times have you seen a Zed when they actually get low or CC'd only to pop his ult on you, kill you, and walk away laughing.

I just played a game today against a Lee Sin where he would fight you and kill you or if he was going to lose, just flash to a nearby ward he had dropped and then he's 2 screens away in no time flat with zero chance to die.