Too many ADC's

FortisDominus·Feb 2, 2016·4 votes·639 views

Graves/quinn top

Corki/lucian/ezreal mid

Graves/quinn/kindred jungle

Another ad bot

What a fun meta...

15 Comments

supermuffin28Feb 2, 20165 votes

Too many mages! Liss top, diana jungle, annie mid, lux and velk bot. What a fun meta!

Critmaster GarenFeb 2, 20161 votes

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Too many mages! Liss top, diana jungle, annie mid, lux and velk bot. What a fun meta!

theye not played at the same time. the adc are.

the problem isnt that they are allowed to solo lane, and jungle, but that theyre strong enough that double adc comps are almost every game now.

riot only did half the job. they got them out of only sitting in bot lane. now they need to change the game so other champs than adc can duo lane (with a support).

FortisDominusFeb 2, 20161 votes

How often do you see diana jungle? and lux and velkoz bot lane duo? only in silver i guess

KyroRayneFeb 2, 20161 votes

I see Diana jungle pretty much any time I jungle because she's been my "go to" jungler unless I feel like playing Amumu, xin, or Vi.

As a side note since you mentioned only in Silver: I was Plat last season.

FortisDominusFeb 2, 20161 votes

I have nothing against silver players i just get a little annoyed when i have pre teens giving me sarcastic answers. I know people still play diana jungle, its just not nearly as common as other junglers (most likely because of the lack of early game pressure and that before lvl 6 most junglers can kill you in your own jungle). Post 6 shes great and if she gets fed, she will scale into a monster comparable to amumu or rengar.

supermuffin28Feb 2, 20161 votes

It's really not that bad. It was more of a jab at your really weak generic complaint to take up space on the internet. Although ADC mid and lux vel bot is extremely fun into a duo bot with minimal sustain and mobility.

Diana jungle works and is completely fine. Rank means nothing. Didn't feel like grinding out the troll games last season. Maybe this season I can work my way up to queuing with Plats like I do everywhere else. Gotta get epeen for forum posts

FortisDominusFeb 2, 20161 votes

Ok i will tell you why i have a problem with solo lanes being crammed with AD's then, just next time dont give me a sarcastic condescending answer because then i turn into a prick. AD's are supposed to be weak early game because they are late game carries. Because they are being put in solo lanes means they dont really have a weak early game. So along with having a good enough early game to not need a support, they also get solo lane xp and scale into monsters late game.

supermuffin28Feb 2, 20161 votes

That's a little more understandable, but you have to take into consideration what champs are going where and why.

Not sure how long you've been playing league, but marksman used to be solo mid. They were put bot lane with a support because that's how the meta unfolded.

Reason for this being that mages scale much better off levels (solo xp) and gold than most marksman did (at the time) Many marksman during this period scaled better with items than they did levels.

This can be confirmed with giving vayne max rank w and 6 items she could still deal ridic amounts of damage but w/o items she would be absolutely worthless.

Next thing to consider are solo mages. Think back when Oiranna was a highly contested pick. (My favorite example being Toys from TPA back in worlds S2, No matter how little farm she had, 0/15 she had solid base damage and TONS of utility. Why would anyone send a champion to "support" ori get farm when they could support the weak ad that gets dove by league of mobility.

Now we're here today with more marksman. Look at corki and graves. They're more or less pseudo mages.

Yea sure they need items to be really carry, but the games are so passive they dont have worry too much about over aggressive lanes and can free farm all day long. Getting solo xp (which highly benefits both of them for quicker leveling) and they get the much needed farm of a marksman.

Their skills have such a good base damage that if they fall behind the team can just group still win team fights due to inherently high damage/poke/burst that they still win team fights and/or pick up gold from tower pushing/objective control by out rotating the other team.

Also to note that they the 2 also have some really really good zone control. Think how scary it is to be next to a wall with graves running around. Or the horrifying noise when corki picks up his package and your team is lacking on vision.

Same concept goes for like Varus mid as well. Builds a relatively cheap core items, does tons of damage, scaling his Q with levels faster than relying on gold in a duo lane. (Being as to why he can rush a tear and still put out decent damage)

Not the full scope from a lowly silver player, but definitely **some **key points that have been picked up over the years.

FortisDominusFeb 2, 20161 votes

I started playing about 4 years ago and from what i understand it used to be bruiser bot with a support (in NA) until we discovered ADC/Support bot from the Koreans which was just superior. You explained what I already said though. ADC's right now with their new over halls are just OP. Corki and graves are getting nerfed next patch (most likely), kindred, Miss fortune and kalista just got nerfed, and im still waiting on nerfs for quinn and ezreal (if he does not get nerfed its fine i just hate blue ezreal). Even lucian is borderline OP as it is. The ADC's just have it way too good right now and the nerfs they have been getting are just slaps on the wrist.

I main rengar since season 3 and this last patch turned rengar from a ferocious beast into a kitten. Will i continue to play rengar? of course because he is the only jungler i enjoy playing with. Do i feel the nerfs were a bat to the face? hell yea, people who dont main rengar just dont understand how hard the nerfs were (not the Q nerfs, the other ones).

You could say im just salty that these fucking ADC (not all, but most) mains say "ADC's dont need nerfs right now, assassins and bruisers need it more" despite how many broken ADC's exist right now.

supermuffin28Feb 2, 20161 votes

I do agree some of the ADC's are really REALLY strong, but that's their job, to carry games.

Not saying this justifies the imbalance, but to get absolutely demolished 100-0 with no counter play (solo queue) makes it unbelievably infuriating.

Then you throw in bruisers/tanks who put out just as much damage and dont get blown up by other bruisers/assassins, then we ADC's get a little jealous. teehee-haha

/half-sarcasm

That said I'm no balance expert or one to cry OP on the forums, but "healthy" and "assassin" haven't been used in the same sentence as far as I recall.

I hope that riot can bring back the scaling focus of ADC's and get them back in the bot lane, this gameplay seemed much more enjoyable for everyone half way concerned about balance and diversity.

You have to admit though, that rengar was pretty oppressive. I do agree they didn't nerf him the way that was needed, but something needed to be done.

He's loved by too many to be left in an unplayable status so I have faith he'll make his come back.

FortisDominusFeb 2, 20161 votes

Rengar was strong with the changes, i agree, probably the stongest he has been since all the nerfs he got in season 4. However, alot of rengar mains have very tight buttholes right now because of the nerfs. Take away damage? fine. take away one shotting? fine. increase the indicator range on ult? I may not be happy with it because now people will know im comming from a mile away, but i will make it work. take away the one mechanic that makes his ult ganks successful (mid leap bola)? thats fucked up.